Mailbag: Jhana as Nerve Current Flow

John wrote:

Iv hit intense levels of bliss before when approaching jhana, There were times when it was so intense i would burst into laughter and i would be up all night because of the amount of energy i had felt, i also noticed a large increase in cognition afterwards. I find it quite hard to get there these days, I believe my lack of sleep makes it harder for me to hit Jhana. But anyway, Im just wondering, how much effort do i put into concentrating on the breath? Do i put alot of effort into concentrating on the breath trying to hold it there? or do i simply just relax and put very light gentle focus on the breath?

Hi John,

It’s tough to answer because I now consider the breath to be a kind of crutch. That’s because I recently figured out that jhana is just a constant activation of certain nerves. I can turn on and “cycle” current through those nerves now without using an object. To do this I just picture the nerve in my body I wish to activate then imagine it is on. I can at this point “feel” current in that nerve, and can leave that current flowing through it at will.

Using the breath gets you there with enough practice because the breath turns on all nerves throughout the body in sequence as it moves through the cycle of in-out; during that cycle you will spot which parts of the breath make you feel good — the pleasure aspect of jhana — and be able to isolate your awareness to just that part of the sequence. It has never been described like that before, probably because they didn’t know about nerves etc. when the language was made.

Anyway, I can now just choose nerves and cycle current through them perpetually. I’m currently trying to map which nerves do what. There is one in the abdomen area which gives equanimity; I believe it is also connected to digestion and is impacted by events in the stomach and bowel. The nerves either side of the eyes (in the temple area), which cause the face to smile, create rapture. The ones in the bridge of the nose seem to create pleasure, and link into the chest — probably the vagus nerve. So, a few sets of nerves create all the glory of jhana.

The breath is the most-used object because it turns on all nerves at some point in its sequence. So I recommend you do breathing but notice at which points in the breath a sense of pleasure or something else desirable is experienced, then try and create a breathing cycle which turns on those nerves the most. With practice you can reach a point where those certain nerves have current flowing through them constantly — and at that point you tend to “breathe around” those nerves, meaning you use other nerves to control the in-out, while keeping on those desired nerves (which are, in my experience, mostly “in” nerves). At this point the breathing tends to be shallow because the nerves used for a regular breath are being co-opted for pleasure etc.

I think you were doing this when you experienced the sudden bursting into laughter. I have certainly had “too much pleasure to take” in the past. In my experience this is because the body needs to open up, but is blocked. In real terms this is due to fascia (connective tissue) which has organized the body into a contracted pose due to people sitting all day. You can get up, breathe deeply and lift your head up and pull it back gently and feel things move around to accommodate the expansion. This is also one of the main purposes of yoga, which you might also want to look into. When the body is opened up in this fashion you can accommodate more “energy” in the jhana without losing composure and then you can let yourself go into the more trippy LSD-style aspects of jhana, e.g. infinite consciousness and the other formless realms, which are spectacular.

When a nerve has a constant current flowing through it, there is a definite sense of “flow” in the whole conscious experience — hence why this flow aspect is emphasized in texts about jhana. For me this nerve input creates visual effects too, e.g. jewel tones, lights etc.

In summary, I believe jhana works via the meditator learning to preferentially activate and maintain activation of certain nerves. This is achieved via a biofeedback mechanism — which is simply looking out for the elements one wants to experience (bliss, rapture, equanimity etc. — the jhana elements) and noticing what mental activity or style of breathing activated those factors, then learning to activate them consistently. I believe the high-energy bliss and rapture elements are achieved via activation of networks in the sympathetic nervous system favouring pleasure (e.g. dopamine neurons) whereas the equanimity and other pacifying elements can be found in the parasympathetic opioid networks of the bowel and vagus nerve.

Happy New Year everyone!

–Edd

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50 Responses

  1. James says:

    So do you think you can hit the 4th jhana without touching the 1st?

    • Illuminatus says:

      Too early to tell at this stage of my fucking around with it. I can get the “drenching waves” of equanimity by hitting the abdomen nerve I mentioned, which I believe connects into the bowel/digestive system and biologically is supposed to indicate “sated” (by food) and which therefore can be hacked for “equanimity”. However this tends to activate the whole reward circuit and move through the other nerves mentioned, turning them on as well — leading to rapture and the other elements associated with jhanas 1–3.

      So currently I’m leaning towards the whole dopamine system needing to be overloaded (jhanas 1–3) until only the opioid (equanimity) system is tangible (jhana 4). When that system is no longer tangible (the human experience requiring contrast in order for perceptions to arise), you get infinite space and the other formless realms.

      After a great extended jhana on Thursday with all of the above factors present, I went out for a few drinks and also had a burger. For the next couple of days there was a tangible “energy block” on the equanimity nerve, which I could only “free” in painful bursts (which did then give the characteristic “cool drenching” feeling of equanimity — identical to endorphin rush / opiate abuse). The dopamine system (euphoria and rapture elements of jhanas 1–3) however was not affected. This led to corrupted jhanas since the equanimity was not present (though they were still impressive).

      I am taking this as an indicator of how lifestyle choices (substances, junk food, not exercising) can create blocks. I am hoping that after eating cleanly and moving around a lot today that block will disappear. If this is true it would lend weight to the lifestyle indications of Buddhism, Yogism etc.

      • Illuminatus says:

        I wanted to quickly add. Despite my last comment about lifestyle, I believe the main reason many people can’t get jhana early on is the fascia issue. Nerves turning on leads to fascia having to move out of the way (it’s hard to explain but I am right with it). If you don’t know how to stand up and move to facilitate this fascia movement then you will be stuck on the “approach” phase. Dealing with this is the true purpose of the physical side of yoga. In the Yoga Sutra, all the exercises are done as a prelude to concentration meditation.

        Today’s “sitting” lifestyles particularly create these “fascia blocks”. Simply sitting and practising concentration meditation for a long time may shift those blocks eventually and this will manifest as a LOT of fidgeting (which is actually fascia trying to move around). These fascia blocks are also why people report uncontrollable laughter, or “pressure”, or “energy shooting up the spine” (as the fascia moves out the way). Ultimately a lot of these events are correct posture being reattained via turning on nerves which are otherwise not activated enough in daily life, and this turns on fascia which has it move out of the way.

        I’m pretty close to having a robust explanation of meditation (all styles), reconciled with fascia, neurotransmitters etc. This will lead to far quicker ways to get good.

        • Pat says:

          “…I believe the main reason many people can’t get jhana early on is the fascia issue..” This is an interesting explanation that makes a lot of sense to me. Sometimes I get very strong twitches while practicing concentration meditation, I’m guessing this is the fascia trying to organize itself properly as my body relaxes? Also, I remember last March or so when you introduces the flex and release technique, after I tried it for the first time, I was able to get a strong jhana state right after, something very rarely happened for me at the time.

  2. Ichigo says:

    Is the only way to deal with this fascia thing only continuing to meditate? or is there some other practical way to do it?

  3. Ichigo says:

    Like, meditating in a certain posture? or doing certain postures for a couple of minutes before meditating?

  4. Illuminatus says:

    @Ichigo:
    The whole lot can be done with yawning. I call it “directed yawning”. I now know that there is just one reason why the body yawns: to put nerves back into their correct positions. The “current” that can be sensed in nerves during yawning does two things: 1) Activates some muscles/fascia to move it out the way, 2) “Cooks” other fascia to make it stretchy so it can move. It works in a complex way which took me years of trial and error to finally understand, but the result is simple: nerves move back into their proper position. When someone feels energy shooting up the spine, or has uncontrollable laughter or shaking, this is nerves trying to return to their proper position.

    Yoga is a “paint by numbers” system for returning nerves to their proper position. It throws enough poses at you that (hopefully) you will turn on enough wayward nerves and have them return to their correct position in preparation for concentration meditation. There is an emphasis on constant regular breathing during yoga which simulates some elements of yawning as breathing will send some current through every nerve at some point during the in-out cycle (whereas yawning sends a constant current through just a few major nerves).

    To prepare my body for concentration meditation however I use “directed yawning”. Concisely, this means I can:

    1) “Scan” my body to find wayward nerves (this is one way I know for a fact sitting at computers all day is a nerve problem epidemic and, along with sleeping in comfy beds, accounts for practically all bad posture and many emotional problems too).
    2) Use a “directed yawn” to send current through just that nerve which has it do its automatic program for returning to its correct location (moving muscles/fascia AND “cooking” fascia that’s in its way so it yields).

    From all my fucking around with this I also have a fairly complete understanding of how muscle growth works in response to exercise — it is largely a result of myofascial winding, which it turns out is NOT the enemy but is in fact a natural faculty. Instead of unwinding myofascia, I now instead do directed yawning to have the nerves move back to their correct position in between the wound fascia. Unwinding myofascia would actually result in strength decreases for athletes. We’ve moved onto a somewhat different conversation now, though, so I’ll leave that there.

    With “directed yawning” my first step is to actually run current through the displaced nerve. This then automatically triggers elements of the yawn reflex as part of its own little correction program. It was exactly via finding I could run current through nerves that I then figured out I could just run current through the pleasure circuit for jhana. It was an unexpected and wonderful discovery.

    What I have finally ended up with, essentially, is a more comprehensive and detailed version of the Yoga Sutra. Figuring out how to teach these actions, e.g. running current through specific nerves, is my next task.

    @Pat:
    “Also, I remember last March or so when you introduces the flex and release technique, after I tried it for the first time, I was able to get a strong jhana state right after, something very rarely happened for me at the time.”

    Yeah. I also got a lot of easy jhana states after doing F&R. I think it dumps endorphins but also makes the body aware of itself and therefore able to turn on its own various circuits more easily. HOWEVER, I no longer use F&R because: a) It leads to, essentially, myofascial unwinding, which isn’t always a good idea. b) It is rather “gross” meaning clumsy and not detailed enough. A quick example is that it can cause large twists of myofascia to spontaneously unwind, as shown in the videos on that post. However, those large unwinds ignore the smaller winds that make them up. So this actually results in those smaller winds of fascia actually just being dragged along and snapped in the course of the larger wind unwinding. Another example is that it might not return a wayward nerve in the most efficient way — or even find the wayward nerve at all.

    I do not think learning the “right” ways to do these things need be that difficult; I am coming up with some simplified explanations now. Then I will just need test subjects.

  5. Ichigo says:

    Thanks for the detailed post! you sure seem to know what you are talking about, but I have a hard time before meditation practice when doing the direct yawns to feel any current through nerves, and even if I did, I wouldn’t know what “to do” with it… complicated shit! but interesting neverthless…

    • Illuminatus says:

      Look up kapalbhati on YouTube ASAP. Each “breath” is a pump of the muscles in the stomach area. Each pump is immediately followed by a relaxation response which then spreads throughout the body. This is “current” and you should be able to feel it (probably subtly at first).

      • Illuminatus says:

        If you drop your jaw slightly and “open your ears” like you would on a yawn you will be able to “hear” the current as a rushing sound.

  6. Jos says:

    The Actual Freedom method uses a question to trigger and maintain what appears to be the safe and sated state. Maybe you should try to incorporate a more cognitive repattern rather than directly trying to trigger vagus and bowel nerves into your tweaking around with it.

    • Illuminatus says:

      Is this what Daniel Ingram refers to as Actualism? If so I have tried it and it’s very good. I did not stick with it because I had too many other irons in the fire at the time, e.g. wanting to work through the variety of other methods out there.

      Do you have writings of your experiences with the method anywhere that I can read? If not, can you tell us a bit about your history with it? Thanks.

      • Jos says:

        Yes I was referring to Actualism. I don’t really have experience with the method, I just used it to make the point, which actually remembered from Reichian therapy, in which they do a lot of bodywork but then have a cognitive part. I was just suggesting that -maybe- after some cognitive repattern you could activate those nerves without the others, just something to try as you experiment with it.

        I think that Actualism won’t work for most people, only for people with experience in meditation and that have regularly experienced those states or at least “approached” them. The question is meaningless for those without experience, all his website may not even give it a complete context to work. So we still have the task to meditate before and find those experience without the questions…as he did. Then we’ll find our ways if we so choose, I think most people deep inside don’t want to feel equanimous all day, but to experience all the ebb and flow of life, wether from a equanimous consciousness or full of resistance.

        • Illuminatus says:

          So you advised me to try something of which you have no personal experience.

          It’s quite common. Someone reads something they like the sound of, or tries it for a few days, then talks about it as if it’s the best thing since sliced bread while they’re still in what I call “personal development glow”. I used to do it often.

          • Jos says:

            I didn’t get your reply. Are you asking me to not do it here, or advising me not do it in general in life? Pointing it out?

            I think you still do it, you’ve changed your mind from post to comments…it’s part of the process.

        • PsySeducer says:

          Yea but asking haitemoba is a great trick to quickly reset overall mental and physical state, is like applying the 3 AEP characteristics instantly all over yourself just like that. I use it to quickly get out of any bad state, start the “rightbrain” on the bigger picture frame and reset to default presence.Also it boosts my ego with joy and confidence because is so cool and powerfull to overcome and destroy everything that affects you and appeared so real few seconds ago.
          Why would anyone want to spend his life in a equanimous “shell”, for me this is anti-life atitude, the whole point is to overpower it and become stronger. That’s the real gift meditation gives and not the escaping life goal trying to reach and mantain equanimity filter towards experience.
          Sometimes i find myself anti gouverment-paranoid when seeing how certain groups on the internet try to steer it towards equanimity so that people don’t realise what a perspective shift of freedom and power can meditation bring.

  7. Nick says:

    Out of the videos on Kapalbhati, is there any you can personally recommend? I have been practising the lying down in the Alexander position. I’ve been experiencing some almost orgasmic waves running up and down my body! Experimenting with this standing up. Thanks

    • Illuminatus says:

      That’s good! Here’s the trick. When you get a wave moving up your body, move your awareness behind your head so you are “watching” the wave moving up the body as a separate observer. Then, see if you can just “let the waves continue to run”. So you want to get to a point where waves (I call them current) are cycling up the body seemingly by themselves. This latter statement is very important and is the crux of the main article above. When current/waves seem to be flowing by themselves then are suddenly a separate “object”. One can get lost just following the flow. Once that happens jhana becomes very strongly self-evident. The fireworks are unmistakeable.

      • Illuminatus says:

        Note that the breathing will change by itself to accommodate the continuous cycling of current/waves up the body. Everything will begin to shift to accommodate those waves.

        One of the major problems is that everyone uses different words to describe this: “absorption”, “concentration”, “objects”, “rapture” and so forth. But when that flow establishes itself, seemingly separate from “you”, all these definitions converge and we are talking about the same thing.

  8. Illuminatus says:

    I have flip-flopped on some of my statements above after playing around some more. Corrections:

    1) Replace “nerve” in the yawning statements with “major fasciae”. So these cable things that slide around when one yawns or does stretches or unwinding seem to be fascia strips rather than “nerves”. Therefore the purpose of yawning = to put fasciae back in their correct place. It’s hard to know exactly what I’m talking about without cutting myself open (which I’ll take a pass on).

    2) Myofascial unwinding is back on the table — but only for the “major fasciae” (which I was calling nerves before without realizing). These are string things which loop and wind all over one’s body.

    3) Flex & Release is back on the table — but it is to be done centrally. This is done via kapalbhati. This pumps, I believe, the solar plexus where all the fasciae seem to cross (this locus also being the source of shaking). Kapalbhati activates fasciae via the breath as diverse as in arms, legs, everywhere.

    I have exercises to do unwinds across the whole body just by “pumping” á la kapalbhati. Might record them.

    @Nick:
    This is the first video that comes up on YouTube and shows the pumping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d3erUbB3uw
    It’s up to you to figure out what that pumping releases and how to move to let things slide back into place. E.g. on the “release wave” after the pump you should look out for things moving around and let them. This should lead to unwinding motions.

  9. Ichigo says:

    Years ago I had a full blowing rise of kundalini to the top of my crown by doing rapid breathing or kapalbhati pumps, and just normal very blisful surges… now it won’t work anymore… but there are people practicing kapalbhati for years not having a single energetic experience… do you have any guest why that is so? and is it possible to experience all that again somehow?

    • Illuminatus says:

      Kapalbhati is a “flex” followed by a “release”. However, importantly, because the flex is central (solar plexus), the “release” is global. That means that all the nerves that control relaxation have current flowing through them. By shifting your focus to different nerves during this release wave, you can amplify its effects. So, during the release, close your eyes and shift your awareness to your 3rd eye. This will cause nerves in that area to be amplified. By simply allowing the release to continue to propagate, you can create a flowing “current” in the 3rd eye. That will lead to some rapture or some rather different mental state.

      This is cackhanded language. I feel like someone from the Middle Ages trying to describe modern science.

      The short answer is that it depends what their awareness is doing during the exercise.

      There is another part to this. Let’s break the nerves up into circuits for a moment. Let’s call one the “jhana” or “pleasure” or “flow” circuit. And another the “judging / expectation” circuit. The latter will inhibit the former. If you have a stunning experience the first time when you had few expectations and were just “giving it a go”, then followed by finding it difficult to attain that again on subsequent tries, then that is a result of the judging circuit inhibiting the other.

      These inhibitions can be “cooked” into the fascia. So, if you resist one circuit’s operation then fascia will build up where they intersect, allowing the inhibition to work more easily. This is why some people have permanent grimaces, sour faces etc. Luckily these “blocks” can all be uncooked / unwound. That is one of the main goals of energy work.

      I’m using cooky language for that but I have a physical model and it is based on fascia science (I have Thomas Myers’ textbook and have explored other sources).

      I also think the real reason people can spend years failing to get jhana is that there are such physical blocks on the pleasure circuit or they are unconsciously inhibiting the pleasure circuit constantly via judging or fleeing and therefore failing to “get into the flow”. “Pleasure anxiety”, I think Robert Anton Wilson used to call it.

      • Ichigo says:

        “The latter will inhibit the former. If you have a stunning experience the first time when you had few expectations and were just “giving it a go”, then followed by finding it difficult to attain that again on subsequent tries, then that is a result of the judging circuit inhibiting the other.”

        This is so true! not only did I have big expectation, I was also in a mindstate, that I must have something happening by doing the rapid breathing exercise

        • Illuminatus says:

          Same applies to beginner’s luck in many things.

          • Ichigo says:

            Before meditation I have been doing some kapalbhati pumps and each couple of pumps or even just one pump each time… putting my attention for a few seconds on the third eye, or bellow the navel, or the perineum… puts my body and mind very fast in a relaxed mood… and at that point when doing the pumps again and realising, more aware of heat/pressure? or whatever feeling that moves there… can’t wait to have you map the nerves to get to jhana in that kind of way… actually this whole fascia thing sounds very confusing for me, many parts I have a hard time understanding, but still interesting nonethless! I am all in for a more scientific approach

  10. PsySeducer says:

    Jhana is a mental state not a formula of sensations like rapture+bliss+equanimity.The pleasure factors of jhana is just a mini map to pinpoint how deep the absorbtion is but you can fall deep into jhana without these sensations.Im saying this so the begginer meditators dont say cant enter jhana because dont feel good in the body.
    Activating nerve circuits in the body via curent is kundalini work and is dangerous dark knight teritory,just antother excuse for the monkeybrain to obsess over.

    • Illuminatus says:

      For the last few months I have been developing a model called the “mind–body spectrum”. The purpose of the model is to be able to roughly place each individual on the spectrum according to how much duality he has between body and mind. This could also be expressed, “how much body state affects mental state”. This was in response to my noticing different readers, and myself, responding very differently to body- and mind-based techniques.

      Based on the above you would fall over at the mind end of the spectrum. I am way over to the body side. This site has always focused more on the body and will be headed more in that direction to cater for body people. A good example of a meditator who is very mind is Daniel Ingram.

      • PsySeducer says:

        I use your techs often like quickfixes and all work great,can’t wait for more to come, my fav is the peripheral vision switch. Also been using relaxing and activating areas of the body for years (i remember since 2003 was using falling back muscles and face muscles to “induce alpha brain waves” :)) ) so theres no argument here.
        Regarding the meditation process I don’t see how a newbie can figure it out since fousing,paying attention,insight,visualizing,noticing etc. are all mind based and all can be perturbes by thought process if a basic amount of sati is not there.
        For example in order to reach first jhana or even less…lets say just noticing waves in the body, a minimum level of established mindfulness is required.You skip that part in your guides maybe because you default is rightbrain but 99% of people aren’t.For a leftybrainer focusing on breath means thinking of it intensly and expecting pleasure from it, wich never comes since the instrument used is the one you want to overcome and diminish.How do you explain FOCUSING with body-mind approach without using a mental concept that the monkeybrain cannot fuck with?

        • Illuminatus says:

          Fair point. I’ll have a think about it some more.

          I struggle to remember a time when I was based in verbal thought (which I gather is at least part of what you mean by “monkey brain”?). That’s because I got to Knowledge of Mind & Body (first ñana) relatively early on and “crossed over to right brain”. I also found “presence” and other esoteric concepts easy to grasp and make come true.

          It was largely body problems, e.g. deformation via fascial winding (I was very hunched initially), which “blocked” ongoing experiences of general body freedom and pleasure (and such things have a huge effect on my mental state — as do things like light levels reducing towards winter etc.). So, on the other side of the coin, I believe there are probably other “body” people like me whose mental progress can be accelerated via body techs. Escape from verbal thought always started with body/sensory awareness, for me.

      • Nick says:

        This is why your writing resonate with me. It’s rare to see material which is slanted towards body people. In the West we live enough in our heads as it is.

  11. James says:

    Everything I’ve come across says the signs of 1st Jhana are accompanied by bliss/ecstasy.

    If that isn’t it – then what do you think it is?

    • PsySeducer says:

      You can have one without the other.You can feel rapture and bliss without beeing into jhana, and you can hit a much deeper jhana feeling awefoul.I can hit 4th jhana directly from beeing in a mindfull state for few secs.
      The good feelings only come as side effects and reward mechanisms if you get to jhana straight from the monkeybrain.Actually you don’t even acknowledge them just after you loose the focus..so it’s stupid to expect and confuse them with jhana.Exactly the oposite way to go for it…so funny.
      This is the main reason why 90% of meditation forums are filled with people that spend months and years and almost never get it…

      • Illuminatus says:

        If you ask 100 people what jhana is you get 100 different answers, but yours is the most removed from my experience, and that indicated by the text. Pleasure, rapture and equanimity are the “jhana factors” — meaning jhana is DEFINED by those feelings. DEFINED.

        I am glad you are able to get the states you want, but try to stay within some sort of common reference system because you’re out on a limb here.

        • PsySeducer says:

          Oh cmmon.. Jhana is defined by it’s definition and its transaltion from Pali, google it .
          JHANA FACTORS are stages (levels)but the core that never changes is the mind is still and fully absorbed and immersed into onepoint with (samadhi+ sati).

          • BobSmok says:

            Do you even Jhana?

            It’s almost like the dude doesn’t even jhana

            • PsySeducer says:

              No “I don’t jhana” I have jhanas because jhana is not action is a state you get into doing concentration meditation. Why would say that ? Did you get a nice high and spent a few moments into a pleasant haze then said omg this is jhana?

              • Vick says:

                Mental masturbation:
                Maybe after someone experiences the jhanas countless times and knows how it feels physically and mentally he can just evoke\stimulate those feelings and the state of mind follows.
                I think thats how some people cycle through all jhanas in 2 minutes easily.
                End

                On a side note I think I had a little breakthrough, before my mind felt foggy and energy\attention wobbling inside during meditation, I used to try and control it but it’s too much effort.
                Now that I started doing energy work I noticed my neck and shoulders had sever blocks, as in I couldnt move energy through them at all. When I do it theres is a burning sensation, pain, dead spots, spasms etc.

                It’s clearing up a bit and now meditation is much easier, no mind fog or wobbly energy.
                I also induce the falling sensation in the neck and shoulders for a couple minutes before meditation.

                • Vick says:

                  It’s the same thing Edd is talking about with facia unwinding.
                  I just think energy work is a more direct way.

                • Ichigo says:

                  When I had jhanas that come with amazingly blissful nimitas (as a very white bright light coming from the top) it took me a mere of 20 minutes by just focusing on the breath, that was on my very first time of ever meditating, and I did that a couple of times a day for at least 2 months without fail… after that it became much more rarely… but I still do get energetic bliss from meditating… I think much biology plays a part in this as my practice isn’t any worst than before, in fact it’s better than ever

        • PsySeducer says:

          Ok, i will use a common reference system. Your “jhana” is a light version of a feeling between cokaine kick and sexual excitement wich you apply to objects.
          I need a lot of sleep and high bloodsugar to mantain this and there are a lot more nerves involved, around knees and elbows, prostate and tiroid and at the back of the head. Also makes me have pervy eyes and every woman sees them thinks im on to her wich sets me of my game cause i play hard to get.
          There must be a center where if you send curent it activates entire circuit and keeps it fueled . Hope you find it soon so we can fry the shit of it.
          Question: Where do you send curent from? I use the base of the spine and top of the kidneys where adrenal gland is. Or does the curent suddenly appear in that area?

          • Illuminatus says:

            Firstly, you realize the troll comment above, “Do you even Jhana? It’s almost like the dude doesn’t even jhana” wasn’t actually me, right?

            “Your “jhana” is a light version of a feeling between cokaine kick and sexual excitement wich you apply to objects.”

            Don’t assume you know my experience. It’s overbearing.

            I will talk about my experience of equanimity briefly as one of the jhana factors. It is a cool, drenching sensation. It feels literally cold and drenching like liquid poured inside me. Emotionally it puts out any flames. The feeling is similar if not the same to the feeling of relief acquired after throwing up, when you can just lie there for ages in that feeling of unperturbed bliss.

            I am not talking about equanimity as some momentary acceptance of reality; I am talking about a pervasive mental, emotional and physical state. It is like heroin rather than cocaine.

            Re rapture, it is mindblowing and has overtones of infinite horizons, with jeweltone sparkles and the mental impressions of nearby objects seen even with eyes closed (the latter appearing in about 50% of my jhanas).

            So the jhana factors play a big part in my determining whether or not it is “jhana” or not.

            What you are calling jhana sounds more like moment-to-moment awareness, also called “Khanika Samadhi”: http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/vip-jhana.html#N1

            “I need a lot of sleep and high bloodsugar to mantain this and there are a lot more nerves involved, around knees and elbows, prostate and tiroid and at the back of the head.”

            Yes, there are a lot more nerves involved — it is a whole-body innervation (though originating in the mind). And yes diet, sleep, environment etc. affects it, hence yoga and Buddhism’s emphasis on lifestyle choices.

            “Also makes me have pervy eyes and every woman sees them thinks im on to her wich sets me of my game cause i play hard to get.”

            Well I’m not writing any of this in the context of states for getting girls as it doesn’t really interest me any more. However I would suggest getting a properly absorbed state (however you personally achieve it) to the point where the jhana factors are really coming through as I described above (especially the drenching feeling), and sit in that for an hour. The following several hours will be very “clean” emotionally, like a purge, and this state won’t require much special maintenance in the field (and it is likely the maintenance which causes the “pervy eyes”).

            “There must be a center where if you send curent it activates entire circuit and keeps it fueled . Hope you find it soon so we can fry the shit of it.”

            To get the full “heroin flow” which this post was based on I lay in a semi-reclined position. I then did then “fall” tech. I found that the “fall” basically correlates with just one nerve, somewhere near the base of the spine, which seems to do something to other nerves giving a relaxation response. I am trying to figure out what this nerve is and how it joins up with other systems (e.g. Circuit V from the Eight-Circuit Model whereby skydivers and people going into zero-G spontaneously get Circuit V activation — I believe flow in this nerve is all to do with that). Anyway, I lay in this position with hands upturned like Jesus has in most pics (he doesn’t lie down but does have upturned hands in most pics, and I’ve been aware for a while that this correlates with a certain state / nerve flow). Then do fall. Maintain the nerve flow of the fall while simultaneously imagining flow travelling up through the centre of your arms, and up through the centre of your legs. Now “let the current run itself”. So, any semblance of continuing to “try” to run the current is abandoned and the current is allowed to just run on its own. (I understand that this is very advanced, and is basically useless for novice meditators / those without good body awareness/connection.) Now breath in such a way that the flow can continue flowing up through these various channels into the head without being disturbed. One finds that the breath itself must change since in its natural state the breath would deactivate these nerves during the out-breath. But with care one can breath in such a way that the in-flow is maintained even during the out-breath (which is more an “out-relax” of the stomach than an exhalation at that point).

            Anyway, de facto, the breath is the object at this point, since the current is flowing by itself and the awareness is solely on having the breath flow.

            Now, on subsequent days I began to experience a “block” in my chest/throat which stopped that flow; I believe this was because I cycled from A&P (which the above experience was a correlate of) through to Misery. I had to switch to making the breath a mental object again and I did this by going back to the traditional way of sitting absolutely still. When making the sensations at the tip of my nose the object I found that the “current” would run in the third eye area in this method. I think current flow is a completely normal part of jhana meditation, it just hasn’t been explicitly stated like this much. If you play with the different mudras you will find they also generate their own currents. E.g. hands upturned with forefinger touching thumb, placed either side of you on knees, links with face to create ongoing current flow in the two nerves which run in the “blade” of the cheekbone and which draw the mouth apart into a smile. Given their connection to smiling they are undoubtedly part of the reward circuit and can be manipulated via my current flow method. They give strong rapture in my experience. Do the mudra I just said and imagine current running from nose outward to hand via that nerve.

            My current focus is on whether yoga can be used to clear the Misery block. I think “cycling” is just caused by fascia moving around in response to emotions and are a normal part of life; I want to be able to remove blocks quickly via the physical since going via the mental often takes too long.

          • Ichigo says:

            You’re wrong.

            See that’s the reason buddhist don’t share their experiences to each other because everyone thinks just by saying the word “light” bliss” “pleasure” “rapture” he thinks he got this or that kind of experience which is or isn’t jhana.

            Your bliss isn’t my bliss… so don’t tell me what kind of “jhana” version I got.

  12. PsySeducer says:

    I have much more experience meditating than you and had states you describe for years but lets not get into that. I would loose anyway because of language barrier and because our experiences come from very different aproaches.
    I didnt assume knowing your experience I just read a comment you made on concentration absorbtion article where you tell a guy to use the near orgasm state and apply it over object.That’s very diferent from the heroin state you explain now wich is by the book kundalini work, by getting low bloodpressure from relaxing all muscles. Also been practicing this years ago but I quit doing it realising that when pinging state from body there always comes up a tension/ blockage preventing full circuit to head. It’s the quickest cycling dark knight formula ever and I think you’ll find that soon.
    The body way you get rid of Misery blockage is you reverse breathing contraction/relaxing pattern without tensing the back muscle.But after comes another blockage,most likely the tiroid gland wich fucks up everything.

    • Illuminatus says:

      “The body way you get rid of Misery blockage is you reverse breathing contraction/relaxing pattern without tensing the back muscle.” — Had already tried this one. That is actually how I got a relatively clear pathway in the first place.

      Eventually cleared the blockage today via yawn-smiling. This itself fixed a few other problems, in particular some of the last bits of my posture puzzle — a tensed jaw tends to contract the body. Yawn-smiling conditions face fascia into relaxed smile and all that fascia links downwards into the entire body — smiling brings the shoulders up and back. Amazing results just from smiling properly.

  13. Naomi says:

    Came across your blog quiet by accident. There is so much material. You seem to be continually evolving your approach. This is rare, because the spiritual practise field does not seem to evolve. I’ve tried your jhana meditation. I’m struggling, no doubt complicated by the fact that I have just lost my job and I’m struggling to make ends meet. There is a pervasive feeling of panic and fear about the future. Can you suggest a tech to get through this mind fog? I’d like to get into jhana meditation but as I mentioned I’m struggling.
    Thanks
    Naomi

    • Illuminatus says:

      Hi Naomi,

      To get started do this every day:

      1. Sit cross-legged with hands in lap and spine straight.
      2. Set timer for 30 minutes.
      3. Your “object” is sensations at the tip of your nose. Keep awareness there. Tilt your head back slightly so all your awareness is pointed towards the tip of your nose.
      4. Breathe.
      5. Keep completely still. Any body sensation that wants you to move whatsoever is to be ignored.

      Keeping completely still, as still as is humanly possible, is the main point here; the other main point is keeping awareness at the tip of your nose with head tipped back slightly. All effort is to be directed at just these two things.

      For the rest of the day, forget about meditation.

      Regards, Edd

  14. Vick says:

    ” I want to be able to remove blocks quickly via the physical since going via the mental often takes too long.”
    What do you mean by slow? days? hours?

    A couple days ago during energy work I felt like I didnt make much progress in unblocking, especially the neck and shoulders.
    I tried something new, and I’m pretty sure I mostly cleared my right shoulder in less than an hour.

    Here’s what I did:
    lie down, relax with falling sensation body wide.
    “Activate” energy body with energy bouncing; legs, arms first and then the whole body.
    Relax shoulders more with falling sensation and bounce energy from neck to elbow, where the block is.
    After area feels activated, and now this is a bit hard to explain; visualize white light inside and around the area, feel the area full, bubbling, almost overloaded with energy (It takes me quite a bit of effort, I usually tense up a bit, but it doesn’t seem to hurt the process), while doing that imagine the area vibrating, feel it vibrating.
    After doing that I feel the usual sensations of ublocking; burning, stuff moving inside (facia?), pulsing, small area “beating” quickly like a heart, heat etc..

    Feels really uncomfortable almost painful, feel in-body movements throughout the body, especially in legs, face, neck and forearms.
    After a while, different sensations come and go and eventually after a while it just feels free, light, I can feel the energy flow more easily.

    It’s been two days since then and my right shoulder still feels light, there’s still small blocks here and there but it’s mostly good.
    I tried the neck and left shoulder yesterday and the neck was really intense(got painful), I just got tired, turned around and went to sleep. I feel a slight relief in the neck and left shoulder but it’s not done yet.

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