Jhanaic Drugs

I nearly didn’t write this guide. The only thing more addictive than jhana is drugs and jhana. (Actually, it’s sex, drugs and jhana — but that’s a topic for a different post.) On the other hand, this technology does exist and I might be helping to bring concentration meditation into the 21st century.

Here is a list of drugs which either aid concentration meditation or simulate aspects of those states. I will clearly label which drug does what. Please note that I reached Nirodha Samapatti without drugs, so I feel I’ve paid my dues.

The usual disclaimer applies: I have no qualifications, I don’t know what I’m talking about, I’m making this up as I go along, and many of these substances are illegal. Don’t do any of this.


In my opinion as an inveterate drug user, concentration meditation adept, and neuroscience hobbyist, jhanaic states arise primarily via the following neurotransmitters:

  • Dopamine: Focus, fascination, one-mindedness, rapture.
  • Opioids, a.k.a. endorphins: Well-being, pleasure, absorption, euphoria, relaxation, equanimity.
  • GABA: Relaxation, absorption, equanimity, pleasure, one-mindedness.

It therefore makes sense that drugs which enhance the actions of those neurotransmitters will facilitate or simulate concentration meditation states. I have found this to be the case.

Concentration meditation seems to be a strong activation and conditioning of the left brain. It trains the left brain to be even more laser-like — an even higher-focused lens through which elements of reality passed from the right brain can be viewed. Jhana’s focus, fascination, pleasure, addictiveness and cheerfulness correlate with the left brain’s mode.

Click here for a list of the jhanas (MCTB) (look under Part III: Mastery).

For a quicker reference, here are the Wikipedia entries:

Jhanas 1-4 — The Rupajhanas — Meditation on a “form” (e.g. breath, physical object etc.)

Jhanas 5-8 — The Arupajhanas — “Formless” meditations, a.k.a. “formless realms” (meditation on infinite space, infinite consciousness, nothingness etc.)


Jhana role: Activator, simulator

Neurotransmitters: GABA-B, dopamine

Legality: Mostly legal; check local laws

I’m starting with the best. Phenibut is the hands-down greatest jhana drug of all time. It is such a cheat code that one would be forgiven for simply using it all the time.

You can consider the phenibut state to be immediate and persistent “access concentration”. First jhana is attainable remarkably quickly by turning your attention to any object. Absorption and fascination is gained almost immediately. Staying with the object allows a rapid progression through the first four jhanas.

The better you get at concentration meditation without phenibut, the faster and easier it becomes while on the drug. Formless realms are easily accessed via persistence. While on phenibut I find it extremely easy to “skip” to fifth jhana (infinite space): simply imagine there is a “gap” between yourself and your object, and make that gap the object. The gap then expands infinitely and gives an immediate feeling of spaciousness in the breath.

A good approach is to to notice the elements of the various states (the “jhana factors”) and how your mind progresses through each (how it “latches on” to the next jhana), then simply recreate that progression without the drug. Make some written notes after each session if it helps.


Jhana role: Activator, simulator

Neurotransmitters: GABA, dopamine, minor opioid, many others

Legality: Mostly legal

Perhaps a surprising entry, one alcoholic drink (e.g. a beer) is surprisingly good for activating access concentration and facilitating entry to first jhana. You may have noticed, if you have ever played pub games such as pool or darts, that you become noticeably better, more focused and relaxed after just one drink. Any more than one drink and these factors give way to sedation and make focus more difficult. I have found a single shot of whisky before practice to be a usable aid for concentration meditation.


Jhana role: Simulator

Neurotransmitters: Opioids, serotonin, norephinephrine, many others

Legality: Prescription drug; shifting legality and circumstance; best considered mostly illegal; check local laws

Tramadol effectively emulates the equanimity and pleasure of first jhana. It has no teaching value because it does not show a progression through to first jhana pleasure, but rather just lands you there. Highly addictive and largely pointless beyond basic hedonism and sedation.


Jhana role: Activator

Neurotransmitters: Poorly understood, but in my experience modulates dopamine as at least part of its action

Legality: Prescription drug; probably mostly legal; check local laws

A cheat code for focus. Turns the left brain up high. Gives rise to OCD-like tendencies while not meditating (if prone). I find modafinil too intense and “buzzy” to be enjoyable, so while it facilitates access concentration and some absorption it blocks the soft pleasure, equanimity and relaxation elements of first jhana, for me. Your mileage may vary.

Combine modafinil with phenibut to become basically a walking jhana. This was one combination that, a couple of years ago, tricked me (for the umpteenth time) into believing I “had it all figured out”. I even began writing a post about it entitled “My Unicorn”. However, like most state shifts brought about by drugs, the effects were lost a few weeks later and I sat looking at that post in disbelief as I found myself back in the “old, bad reality”. I am happy to say that that kind of cycling is now largely a thing of the past, and that was achieved via non-drug “enlightenment” experiences.

Dopamine Drugs

For example cocaine, amphetamine family, phenidate family, mucuna pruriens.

Jhana role: Activator

Neurotransmitters: Dopamine (also serotonin and norepinephrine for some of the stims, and a cocktail of neurotransmitters for mucuna pruriens)

Legality: Mostly illegal, with the exception of mucuna pruriens

Dopamine drugs are a cheat code for focus, fascination and rapture. My advice, if you do use stims, is to microdose them. Unfortunately stims tend to create intense feelings which can become anxiety. In some respects this can actually work as a trainer since you will have to learn to calm those feelings in order to enter equanimity and relaxation. In other respects, junking on dopamine drugs is retarded and is a recipe for addiction.

Mucuna pruriens however is quite “smooth”, is completely natural, and is almost universally legal. I recommend buying the whole ground plant rather than lab-made extract/pills (plant extracts are generally completely retarded and are another symptom of the West’s left-brained obsession with “parts” rather than “the whole”). I get mine from India for like five bucks for a whole kilogram. I found that on eBay. Tolerance to mucuna builds quickly and you will probably have noticeably diminished response even after just one day’s use. It can take several days to recover tolerance. Uniquely, mucuna delivers the “pleasure” jhana factor and some equanimity — whereas the stims are, in my experience, a bit too “rushy” on their own to deliver those factors.


For example ketamine, methoxphenidine.

Jhana role: Activator, simulator

Neurotransmitters: NMDA antagonist

Legality: Mostly illegal

Dissociatives numb the body and remove its inputs from the mind-body-perception loop. This is exactly what happens at the high-level jhanas (5-8, the formless realms). Dissociatives throw you straight into the formless realms. The problem is, if you cannot reach those levels without the drug then you likely won’t be able to control the state with the drug, and the whole thing will just descend immediately into some long, uncontrollable trip. Bad trips can definitely happen on dissociatives, though they are less likely than on psychedelics, in my experience. Because I knew what I was trying to achieve, and knew vaguely the stages I would be going through on the trip, I was able to maintain a level of control for at least parts of the experience. However, much of the trip was still chaotic and disturbing. For this reason I cannot ethically advise anyone to try dissociatives, and the legal issues are also problematic.

I learned an absolute shit-ton about the body, the mind, and how experience arises via interaction between the two (which are actually non-separate) via dissociatives. As reported in MCTB, and confirmed through my own experience, the formless realms imprint a blissful, equanimous mood on the practitioner which can last for several days afterwards. We also see this in ketamine treatment on depressed patients and injured patients whereby there can be spontaneous remission of bad mood and pain, respectively. I believe the mechanism of action in both high-level jhana and ketamine treatment is the same: roughly speaking, the individual’s “personality” or “experience programs” are “stored” in the body’s fascia. A bad mood, negative outlook etc. is a systems-wide phenomenon which plays out via the fascia, which is the connective tissue which permeates the entire body. This is how bad mood is reflected immediately in posture, for example. Ketamine “wipes” these programs by literally stopping the neuronal firing patterns throughout the body which maintain them. It can be seen as a kind of “reboot”, to continue our computer analogy. Here is a good little video to watch later if you want to learn more about fascia: Thomas Myers – Fascia 101

I had my first fruition while on a combination of methoxphenidine and LSA (which were both legal at the time). The ascent to fruition consisted of literally seeing reality as vibrations, “investigating” those sensations via the “shooting the space invaders” method from MCTB (which actually turned out was simultaneously numbing or “cancelling out” sensations from all over my body, via REM, at a rate of possibly hundreds per second). Then I saw the “face of God” formation and reality turning into a doughnut before finally blinking out entirely for a moment (which is known as a “fruition”). This, if memory serves, is the “exit via the Door of Self” listed in MCTB. It took me another few months however to be able to recreate this process without drugs, at which point I could finally claim to have attained First Path.

These experiences — especially learning to “wipe” the mind-body’s personality programs and emotional responses via jhana — led directly to extremely powerful “reimprinting” tech being revealed to me, which I have not published yet, partly because I have still been getting to grips with it, but mainly because it revealed how much was still left to do on my muscles and posture (which is thankfully now finally coming to an end). This whole process culminated in potentially the greatest “fix-all” muscles and posture tech ever devised: a genuine solution, never-before-seen, which is nevertheless difficult and arduous to complete, and at times psychologically disturbing. I will talk more about this soon on the blog.

One of the factors that led to these techs becoming available to me was that these experiences — both on the drug and, later, without the drug — strongly developed my synaesthesia. I already had stronger than normal synaesthesia via my previous meditation work, and apparently due to a natural inclination towards synaesthesia. Now however my synaesthesia is really strong. For example, I literally see distortions in fascia as winding snakes or cables, so I know exactly where to work in my body at any moment. I see emotional events as visual objects and can choose to either engage them, integrate them or let them pass by, and can indeed induce emotional states of my choosing by creating such objects. I am not sure how much of that can be taught but it’s something I intend to explore and develop further. I am not claiming to have complete control over my emotional systems (far from it) — and I’m not sure that’s possible or even desirable. However, the level of control and the capacity for self-repair that is achievable has amazed and delighted me.


Jhana role: Activator, simulator

Neurotransmitters: Various; poorly understood

Legality: Check local laws

LSA is a precursor to LSD and is found naturally in a few plants. It is a psychedelic tryptamine drug. The brand I used was called Druid’s Fantasy and it came in capsules (6 per pack).

Through faffing about with various drugs at different doses I discovered that there is no such thing as a low dose of a psychedelic. Even one capsule of LSA would significantly alter my thought processes, perception and mood. Sometimes LSA was well tolerated — for example, at times, even taking all 6 capsules on a night out would give way to a pleasant and fairly controllable trip. Other times, just taking one capsule would ruin my night. Dosing was therefore impossible to predict or optimize. However, minimizing doses does definitely seem to limit the amount of trouble one can potentially cause oneself. I should also warn you that LSA causes nausea and sometimes takes hours to work — and sometimes just half an hour! It is truly an unpredictable drug, in my experience.

LSA was also a strange one for me in that the “style” of trip changed dramatically depending on circumstances (“set” and “setting”). I generally do not like psychedelics because I find them too chaotic and at times disturbing. Weed for example is particularly useless to me; even one drag will destroy my ability to think in any useful way whatsoever, and fear dominates the emotional backdrop. I have no particular intention or desire to ever try psychedelics again.

Psychedelics pull back the curtain a little and let you have a peek at non-duality. However, under certain circumstances (which I have still not been able to quite pin down), LSA functions as simply the most powerful concentration meditation drug in the world. Let’s say I was just using the dark stuff behind my eyelids as my “object”: on LSA I was able to just look at that like it was a literal “thing” in front of me, just like I’m looking at this screen now. It’s very hard to describe what that was like, and I know it doesn’t sound very exciting, but it really is. I could have it be completely pure, or completely solid, or made out of electricity, or whatever I wanted. I could look at each sensation within it. I then realized I could turn it into mind-made objects which appeared with total artificial purity, clarity and solidity, since they were entirely mind-made and did not have to come in through the senses. I could also have visions of whatever I wanted, like watching the purest images conceivable on the highest-definition television. This was all done with zero need to suppress verbal thoughts, or any of the other faffing that usually goes into forming a stable concentration state — the state was just “there”.

I can create mind-made objects using jhana without drugs, but it typically takes me a while to get into that mode, and if I’m honest I can’t really be bothered to do it any more. When I do make mind-made objects in non-drug jhana, I find that there comes an unpredictable tipping point when that object will suddenly “pop out” and take form. This can be pretty disconcerting at times, since there is suddenly “something” where a moment ago there was nothing. Images of people are particularly scary as they are completely static, which the lower brains interpret as something like a corpse. I can see now how concepts of “demons” could arise from such practices, and why concentration meditation at high levels can send some people a little bit crazy (and MCTB talks a bit about “grounding” exercises in the event of such situations, such as stopping all concentration meditation work for some time, and doing very body-orientated things like eating heavy foods). On LSA however visions tended to have movement and “life” and were not disconcerting at all.

LSA, when used in quiet sitting practice on your own, tends to give an extremely good mood. In fact, I found this mood to be identical to Equanimity from the Theravadan map of the Stages of Insight, which I discovered those few months later when I had reached that stage without drugs. LSA is literally a hack to jump straight to that level. Combined with the hack for the formless realms provided by methoxphenidine, it is little wonder I was able to hack a fruition way before I had reached that level in my non-drug practice. However, this combination is extremely hardcore and you would have to be a complete idiot to try it. I would not even recommend dissociatives or LSA individually, let alone together. It is literal madness.

In a future post I intend to make a table for both the Stages of Insight and the jhanas showing which drugs correlate with each stage or state. It might be possible to create a programme of teachings, meditation exercises and drug use, set out in stages, in order to bring the time taken to achieve enlightenment down to a year, a month, or even less.

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47 Responses

  1. Nick says:

    I have your site bookmarked. I’m catching up with past articles. I’m learning a lot.
    I’ve noticed when I’m really in a deep focus, that I’m becoming aware of my musculature. Last night I was aware of my legs being heavy. I made them the subject of my focus, and was aware of a strong tingling. This morning while exercising I felt looser overall. Since beginning the basic concentration exercise, my moods seem a lot more stable.

  2. James says:

    You ever tried pant based psychedelic, like a “teacher” type?

  3. James says:

    Like ayahausca

    • Illuminatus says:

      I have not tried ayahuasca. I have tried shrooms, weed and LSA, and they are all a pure plant product. I feel I’ve tried enough fucking around with psychedelics now, and don’t fancy puking in a jungle for 2 hours.

  4. James says:



    san pedro

  5. Dany says:

    I keep running into people mentioning MCTB. Funny.

    Great article, I had kind of written off Phenibut because of peoples “withdrawal” reports, as well as its association with anxiolytic drugs like xanax, which are just abhorrent substances.

    Anyway, I could get into a lot of stuff about dissociatives but I don’t think I’ll teach you anything new. Excellent points though, I have had an idea ruminating around for a while now that ketamine (and lots of methoxetamine in my case) throws you right into the formless states. When combined with psychedelics I have had some really weird experiences of existing as only-consciousness without a body, and had the distinct feeling of having “evolved” to some next level that is beyond individual mind.

    The real reason I’m commenting is because I don’t think you should write off psychedelics, particularly not *real* LSD. I have had some serious awakenings lately on LSD, and it gives you serious insight into nonduality, a lot of similarities to Ingram’s descriptions of the three doors, see — http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dharma-wiki/-/wiki/Main/MCTB+The+Three+Doors/en . LSA is well known for being unpredictable and having very weird body-load issues. The reason LSD originally was and still is so remarkable is because of its ability to reliably produce certain effects. It is also much easier to take higher doses than LSA. Mushrooms and other tryptamines take you on an emotional cathartic sort of ride, which can sometimes end in a state of fruition in the formless realms. I have not experienced this on LSD, but LSD gives me far more “Insight” in the vipassana sense, and also enables me to explore concepts like love and compassion more easily. I have always thought of tryptamines as having a very strong “teacher” aspect in that one is being guided along by a Mind that feels Other, with ayahuasca being the most extreme case. People really revere ayahuasca as this spirit entity. LSD feels much more like it opens up a nondual playground that has far less of a chemical “personality”. The downside is that dissolution of ego is less pronounced, but the upside is that it allows for easy exploration in that realm.

    Dissociatives have long been regarded as the most base and useless teachers among pyschonauts, but my interest in jhanic states has given me a certain respect for dissociatives, especially in light of their use in treating depression. I think there is another half of the equation that classical psychedelics explore. I think you are knowledgeable on the rest — but shrooms, weed, and LSA are all unpredictable, chaotic, and often childish. As such, I’d be curious to see how you would compare the states accessible on LSD to your experiences working with MCTB.

    • Illuminatus says:

      Hi Dany, thanks for the comment. I’m sure I’ll try LSD at some point, but I’m not planning it in the near future. Obtaining it these days for one is difficult enough.

      One thing I forgot to mention in the article is sleep deprivation as a “jhanaic drug”. Looking back, my most powerful concentration states were attained after a night out, i.e. after no sleep (since alcohol ruins the entire sleep process), then taking low-dose LSA in that state. The LSA “trip” is basically totally controllable while sleep deprived. Sleep deprivation alone gives me great jhana powers.

  6. Dany says:

    oh just shoot me your address 😉

  7. Kambofire says:

    Hey, have you ever tried microdosing with mooshies or lsd? I personally had tried very low doses of magick shrooms before breathwork and meditation and noticed to have really good concentration. Not very experienced but maybe someone here is and could add more to the conversation.

    • Illuminatus says:

      I need to add LSD to this post at some point, since having now tried it many times I can confirm it is the most powerful jhana simulator and enabler around. LSD is basically “free Arising & Passing Away” plus “free jhanas” (with the most prominent jhana state in the trip appearing to be Infinite Consciousness, the 6th jhana).

      I am not a fan of microdosing LSD as I have found this produces sub-threshold effects. The body interprets it more as a poison and my response to microdosing LSD was not fun at all. With LSD you have to have enough to cross the threshold into the full-blown response.

      Not tried mushrooms in a long time (pre-meditation days) so can’t comment on those.

  8. Kambofire says:

    I also mentioned to you yopo, the seed from the amazon. It is very strong and takes time to kind go with it but a few times I had what I believe now was some kind of jhana. This seed has a very strong effect in the body by creating a clear and strong buzz all over at the same time ther are very intese visuals. Well, somehow I understood or able to “see” how the visions are the visual part of whatever I am feeling in the body. When I am able to “rest” in the perception of both , visual and kinesthetic effect, I slip into this realm that I can only say it pure presence but there is also perception of other beings and it all feels as if we are all one. Its hard to decribe cause I know of other experiences that I had with pshycodelics that I could describe as ” being one with”. With yopo is enterily different, you don´t just get there, you have to do “not do” or something like that. You cannot go in there with any expectation or any thought. It a leeting go but a focused letting go. I believe you´ll get what I´m saying. This seed is actually used as a concetration practice and a way to learn to become responsible with thoughts and actions. It is easy to see the ripple effect that any thought has on consciousness.
    I want to reproduce jhana without any substance and hopefully stabilize it and then go into yopo experiece to explore. It does takes a lot of concentration.

    • Illuminatus says:

      I have not tried yopo but according to Wikipedia its active ingredient is DMT. To recreate what you are looking for would require the highest level of jhana. I have only had similar experiences via jhana a handful of times, and those were flukes, usually involving kundalini (possibly with a kundalini current running through the pineal).

      I am not saying that what you want is impossible, but that there is a lot to be done on the way to that level, so it is best to set some more manageable goals first such as getting to first jhana etc.

      • Rishi says:

        I thought this question may be obvious but a comment you mailed me about – I cant get out of my head.

        * You said I need to work on my mindfullness to get experience to work on Jhanas – ok

        * You said I should not have any other goals during these 2 months – meditation as my top priority – fine

        * You said to understand that I won’t be on the level of Ayahuasca for a few years and that even you currently are not.

        I was just saying I went to Pwru….but let me get this straight, even after reading lots of what you’ve written and am so grateful for whatever you’ve shared – are you trying to suggest it is possible for ‘us’ to access an Ayahuasca state withiut actually taking the sacrament!!??

        Thats some serious shit! do you actually know anyone thats even capabale of something like that, and has not spent the last 20 years in the Himalayas?

        (p.s. I ask these questions, read often, think and daydream not just because I’m distracted but after each one it motivates me to set 30 mins again back on my alarm)


        • Illuminatus says:

          From your initial email I was under the impression that you wanted to get back to the level of altered reality attainable under ayahuasca. The active drug is DMT. Under extremely high-level jhana you can indeed get those effects. So I did not want to say, “This is impossible”, because it isn’t. However, most people generally never get to that level. I’ve only had it a handful of times and cannot recreate it at will.

          Also I am under the impression that you tend to overthink things, and that getting a grasp on basic mindfulness (without aiming for other meditation goals, e.g. jhana) should be your priority. It was you who started mentioning “health, wealth and relationships” and other goals, which I was never talking about. I don’t mind what you do in your free time! But this is a meditation blog first and foremost.

          With your mindfulness practice you ought to aim for the level whereby, even if it takes 15 minutes or longer, you can experience states of no-thought or at least hugely reduced thought, even if those windows open just for a few seconds at a time.

  9. Jason says:

    What dosage of phenibut would you recommend for someone attempting to learn First Jhana?

    • Illuminatus says:

      The lowest possible to begin with, e.g. 250mg, then work your way up if necessary.

      Phenibut makes first jhana so easy that you may well trick yourself into thinking you are a better meditator than you are. In reality you might end up just high.

      Note that phenibut is highly addictive and tolerance builds rapidly. I would not recommend using it more than 1-2 days in a row.

      • Jason says:

        I didn’t see you had replied already and I went ahead and tried 500mg yesterday. I definitely was more relaxed but I felt like I had no mental energy to focus. Not sure if it was just too much or if it is just not what I need. I feel like in general my issues are more related to mental energy being too low rather than too high (I feel like attention can become scattered either way).

        Might try 250 next week but also am interested in trying to meditate with some Kratom I got (haven’t tried this before either).

        • Illuminatus says:

          The best time to meditate is actually 2-3 hours after taking phenibut, during the “rebound time”. This has neurotransmitter-raising effects similar to sleep deprivation.

          Also note that roughly only 20% of people are “full responders” to phenibut (based on my own informal polling); the other 80% just experience mild sedation like you described.

          Another idea is to take it with caffeine, e.g. a large, strong coffee. This sets off phenibut, big time.

          • James says:

            have you tried phenibut+lsd? I think you mentioned that?

            • Illuminatus says:

              Yes. It’s very good, and so is LSD plus tramadol. They take the edge off of the harshness of the trip and reduce any fear/apprehension meaning the chances of a bad trip are significantly reduced.

            • Illuminatus says:

              By the way you emailed me once asking my thoughts on LSD plus MDMA, and I advised you against it due to the possibility of serotonin syndrome. Well, someone emailed me the other day saying they had done that combination a few times and it was the most bliss they’d ever had. Not advising it, just reporting what I was told.

              • James says:

                Yeah, I had heard good things about it but wanted to pump the brakes a bit and decided against it. A lot of people I noticed who do a lot of that tend to seem pretty drained as well.

                I once tried nutmeg in coffee, like… 2-3 ground up nutmeg seeds in a cup of coffee, the taste is so bad and overwhelming but I was stoned for a full 2 days off it, ha.

  10. Tauredon says:

    In your experience what is the meditation style/technique more suited to produce in daily life effects comparable to MDMA (ecstatic bliss, suppression of social anxiety, etc.)?
    Thanks a lot.

    • Illuminatus says:

      Definitely metta meditation. There is nothing like it. I only properly tried it a few weeks ago: https://www.personalpowermeditation.com/rose-tinted-metta/

      Since then I have been practising it roughly once every other day, for 15-30 minutes (and fitting in my other meditations around it). It has removed social anxieties I didn’t even know I had, such as strong desire to be accepted (metta meditation appears to create a strong self-acceptance which blows away social insecurities like they never existed, and really lightens mental load).

      I am so impressed with metta meditation that I intend to write a post called “If I wrote The End of Social Anxiety today…” with the meditations I would have focused on if I was to advise someone with social anxiety today, knowing what I know now. Metta meditation would be #1.

      #2 would be Transcendental Meditation, simply because it is so easy to begin producing the jhana factors with that meditation. E.g. even a short one-minute burst of mantra now gives me a very pervasive lightness and equanimity, and a lack of internal verbal filtering which does not worry me because the equanimity ensures I will not say the wrong thing. So, TM promotes “Right Speech”, even after short bursts.

      One thing I like about both those meditations is that they do not require a high intensity of concentration in order to produce very, VERY obvious life effects. So, following mantra meditation the equanimity is palpable. Following metta meditation, social interactions continue to move in a positive direction for days afterwards. Metta meditation has caused the most blatantly obvious permanent changes in my temperament and my reality out of all meditations I have tried in my meditation career. I am so impressed with it I am considering making it a main focus of this site, especially for beginners.

      Finally, I will add that the best thing beginners can do is to do their 30-minute sits every day but to quit craving jhana and/or other fireworks DURING the meditation. Instead, accept the meditation for however it progresses, even if it seemed like “nothing happened”. But then watch out for the effects in the days afterwards. Again, I will say that focusing on just the feeling of love for 30 minutes will produce a cascade of positive social effects for days afterwards. Try it.

      • Arpan says:

        “Again, I will say that focusing on just the feeling of love for 30 minutes will produce a cascade of positive social effects for days afterwards. Try it.”

        You have undergone certain activations in the past. And your description of rose tinted metta seems to indicate opening of Heart centre. Without this, 30 min..or even 15 min metta would seem extremely artificial and exhausting(my exp too, in my early days). That is the reason why metta is not that popular. “Accepting themselves” would probably prepare ppl faster for metta. Metta is caused by, and leads to some life altering experiences(of which you had some share), and belongs to certain all round mature state of being.

        • Arpan says:

          “Some” opening in heart centre. A full and constant open state of any centre is transformative.

          • Tauredon says:

            Would it be fruitful to couple soft mantra meditation with tantra (done as separate practices)? Metta to me always felt too abstract.

            • Arpan says:

              Depends on what you mean by Tantra( I am honestly out of my depth reading the misconceptions ppl have about these terms via internet-sources, of which virtually none are genuine).

                • Arpan says:

                  This one’s pretty long. Starts off with a promising note, byt finally descends into sex.
                  All they say is fine at the face of it, but, to be brief, this is not how things actually work.

                  It’s like I list out everything you are gonna study in a 4 year Engineering programme in a page-long index(with ommisdions at various places) and you dabble at each entry for a week/month. Won’t help atall.

                  Normal yoga would give you all these abilities in a more spontaneous manner, and that is how tantra actually unfolds too.

                  Anyway, coming back to your question: I would say No, if you want serious consistent progress in meditation over the years. And Yes if you just wabt some mental peace/bliss/ play around a bit. Keep the sessions at very distant times of the day though. Only way this “tantra” could interfere with casual meditation practice us: stimulating lower chakras, agitating the body in various ways.

  11. Tauredon says:

    Thanks for your point of view, Arpan.
    What about the explanation Illuminatus gives on the forum?

    • Arpan says:

      That is not very different from what you sent earlier, except that it gives a more detailed walkthrough regarding the sexual side of it. . It is a common understanding of Tantra in West i.e. equating tantra with a sexual process. There too, it is not what actual tantric sexual practice is about. Ofcourse these things contain some spark of the actual fire.
      A major, and quite neglected, component being training of ‘intent’. If your mind is seeking pleasure, it is nowhere near tantra. Tantra is meant for seekers of the Self and of Fulfillment, who have gone through a rigorous enough austerity that their mind can now seek the Self even in the most turbulent of human experiences(Fear of Death or Ecstasy of Sex). The best of guides on internet pay a lip service to this fact but do not give any indication as to the rigours of transformation(trust me, it is a sophisticated process) you will have to go through, and nor are their readers interested in that part. Bereft of this transformation of intent, even your concentration practice is just that: A practice, an exercise of the subtler aspects of mind, like math problems exercise your grosser mind, and gym your gross body. It is not a spiritual practice. It is applies more to tantric-sex, because it has a strong potential to deform your mind/habits if approached in an unwholesome way.

      Overall, nothing wrong about it, except that: Do not be under an illusion that you will grow ‘spiritually’ via these practices. Consider them fun, like you do a usual sexual intercourse.

    • Illuminatus says:

      Bear in mind I wrote that 8 years ago (though, interestingly, it still matches how I would describe it today!).

      Arpan has helped me write a section in my forthcoming tantric sex guide where I talk about traditional practices and how they differ from today’s “neo-tantra” ideas.

      I will point out however that, even practising tantric sex how I did in the post you just linked to, I gained TONS of insight, concentration and energy skill. I suspect that tantric sex is probably a shortcut to attaining high concentration states and possibly magickal knowledge too.

      • Kautilya says:

        What’s the update on this?

        I have delved into some Tantra and even recently some neo-Tantra which was amazing for the thing I was trying to work on which was sexuality and it was really useful.

        So it’s a tough thing being very authentic but giving real value.

        So a guide on Tantric Sex which is not ‘neo-Tantra’ – which doesn’t matter too much even if it was as long as it’s not dangerous; but also is more ‘real’ than others.

        I mean ‘neo-tantra’ may not even be Tantra, maybe they just used the word, maybe it should be called ‘sex techniques’ …. but that’s not good branding lol – but is go for what works… because I would have no problems going to India for a month and training with a proper Tantrika if I really wanted to know pure Tantra deeply.

        Because it’s you Illuminatus I’m hopeful but it’s a fine line.

        • Illuminatus says:


          The update is still the same: the guide is half-written, and went on hold for some unrelated reasons. I guess I’ll have to get back into it at some point.

          You could book a Skype chat if you are desperate for the techs.

          The guide will be called Energized Sex Guide or similar. It would fall under neo-tantra. That’s because tantra is only referenced in passing. I do not say, “This is genuine tantric sex as practised realistically by tantrics in India.” More like I say, “This is similar to tantric sex in X way.”

          Besides, I knew nothing of tantra before figuring out all the methods in the guide — they came naturally after starting meditation, showing that such things are universal once one opens to grace.

          The guide is “How to be a really good fuck”, not “Genuine Tantric Sex Guide”.

          • Kautilya says:

            Just wondering how the guide was coming along as it’s been a while

            Just in case it gets totally forgotten lol

            • Illuminatus says:

              I write only when I have an inclination to write. If a project gets half done while the inclination is strong, but then the inclination disappears, it is near certain that that project will never be finished. Sorry! I write for my own enjoyment and when projects get too complex enjoyment goes down.

              Never say never, but assume it won’t be finished. If you can think of a way to inspire me, I am listening.

              • James says:

                well, if it’s something you’re interested in, just summon forth the feeling of it being completed and set it, boom done.

                • Illuminatus says:

                  I taught some of the content of the sex guide on Skype at the weekend. This resulted in me continuing to write it! Student also responded very positively to the content so this has been quite inspiring for me.

                  I won’t set dates because there is simply no point, but things are looking up again.

  12. Roberto says:

    you did not mention dosages, how much phenibut do you recommend?

    • Illuminatus says:

      @Roberto: Try 1 gram; you will know in an hour if you are a “responder” (~20% of people). If nothing happens, forget about phenibut.

      • Hagbard says:

        Hi, I tried both times 0.35/0.40 gr of Phenibut + caffeine and I I just felt very sedated and sleepy and had trouble concentrating on the practice of samatha.

        Another day, I tried 0.5 gr of Phenibut + caffeine + alcohol and I felt incredible, with the mental dialogue stopped, enjoying every moment, with a lot of empathy, and with a very high security and equanimity. Unfortunately I did not meditate at that time, I only went out at night.

        Do you think I am “responder”?

        What would be the definitive experiment?
        I guess a gram of Phenibut + caffeine + alcohol, but should I practice meditation afterwards?


        • Illuminatus says:


          I would say you’re a responder. Then again, alcohol amplifies phenibut by around 400%. So it becomes its own “thing” in this combination (especially with caffeine). True phenibut responders get very chilled out and sociable from phenibut alone (usually occurring fully a few hours after taking).

          My meditation goals have changed significantly since I wrote this post. I was mainly obsessed with creating altered states of consciousness. Now however I am looking for (and achieving) permanent shifts in the way I relate to the world, e.g. dropping attachments to ideas which cause suffering.

          The question therefore is, what are you trying to achieve here?

          If phenibut + caffeine + alcohol gives you a glorious state, do you want to meditate, or do you want to go out and enjoy that? There is nothing wrong with loving life in a particular state. I will point out however that phenibut makes me an extravert. I am ordinarily an introvert. Meditation has never made me extraverted — yet phenibut does it in an hour or two! My point is, phenibut does what meditation does not do for me, meaning the two things are rather separate. (Remember, I wrote this post years ago when I assumed meditation could achieve any result in the long run, which does not seem to be true.)

          If meditating on phenibut gives you some special altered state, it is probably wise to consider that that state will not carry over into practice off the drug. Meditation states on phenibut are very much coloured by the drug. Drugs should be considered their own states even if they share some similarities with organic (non-drug) meditative states.

          • Hagbard says:

            Yes, right after I wrote this post I read your post on phenibut wrote last September in the forum .

            I started taking phenibut to progress in the samatha jhanas, or at least to experience them promptly before reaching them with normal meditation (off the drug).

            To my surprise when I mixed it with alcohol, it induced me in a state of great enjoyment, which I probably used to go to concerts etc.

            And like you, I’m very introverted, and Phenibut (+ caffeine + alcohol) I became very extroverted.

            I will tell how the matter evolves. In any case, thanks for your response and your posts recounting your experiences.

            • Illuminatus says:

              Provided you can get beyond the sleepiness associated with the drug, phenibut can aid in samatha meditation (it is particularly good for kasina work).

              Phenibut is also an Arising & Passing Away trigger for me. This occurs 2-3 hours after initially taking it. This can resemble mania in those unfamiliar with the state and how to deal with it (it tends to be incredible).

              I have doubts that these skills/attainments will carry over into one’s regular (non-drug) practice, though it might be the case that some new neural pathways get laid down. It’s very difficult to work these things out since one cannot go back in time and redo the meditations without the drug.

              Ultimately, phenibut can be very fun in both meditation and social settings. But do not take it too seriously as some way of permanently curing all your ills. 🙂

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