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Time Dilation / Smell of Flowers
« on: February 25, 2018, 07:06:12 PM »
I have experienced two distinct "artefacts" in my meditation practice recently since switching to nondirective.

So, for some time now, I will meditate and enter jhana immediately upon waking, lying right there in the bed. It is a non-negotiable start to my day. In the past I would use a highly directive meditation. The jhana entered would tend to have time contraction, which is very common with object-based jhana. This means that while the jhana seemed to last 15 minutes, in the real world 45 minutes would pass. I was pretty used to that feature of the jhana.

However, since switching to nondirective, I am delighted to report that, starting last week, I have begun experiencing time dilation in my meditation. This means that the jhana will appear to last around 30 minutes, but in real life only 5 minutes will have passed. This is obviously a very welcomed and happy phenomenon. The jhana will tend to be filled with bizarre imagery often correlating with an entire path of insight (though it is flowing, so it is blissful). It is kind of like capturing eternity in a few minutes. The illusion of being able to "bend time" has fuelled a solipsistic perspective that has been growing in my practice for many years now (of the type, "I am God; this is my universe") since I can now apparently control even time itself.

The second interesting thing has been a one-off so far. This occurred last week. While practising my "What Is" meditation with high mindfulness, my sense of smell was suddenly completely saturated by the strong scent of flowers. It was beautiful and intoxicating. It was so strong that it caused me to open my eyes and search for a source, though it turned out it was completely internally generated. A minute later the smell was gone. I have experienced sweet tastes and smells during and after jhana for several years now, my assumption being it is an artefact of the reward circuit being activated. But I have never experienced a strong, specific floral scent like this before. Has anyone had this happen?

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Re: Time Dilation / Smell of Flowers
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2018, 08:10:55 PM »
Time dilation has been one of the most common experiences during a decent session of meditation for me. Time Contraction has, understandably, been rare due to the little time I gave to DM.
As for pleasant smells:
"Sweet tastes" come more easily to me than smells. Amongst smells, I most easily get "earthy" ones, like that of rain-soaked earth. And then come some undefined floral ones(not sure as to the flower they represent).
This is Swami Vivekananda's exposition, relevant to smells and tastes and smells, in his book Raja Yoga while discussing Patanjali's sutras:

35. Those forms of concentration that bring extraordinary sense perceptions cause perseverance of the mind.

" This naturally comes with  Dharana, concentration; the  Yogis say, if the mind becomes concentrated on the tip of the nose one begins to smell, after a few  days, wonderful perfumes.  If it becomes concentrated at the root of the tongue one begins to here sounds; if on the tip of the tongue one begins to taste wonderful flavours; if on the middle of the tongue, one feels as if he were coming in contact with something.  If one concentrates his mind on the palate he begins to see peculiar things.  If a man whose mind is disturbed wants to take up some of these practices of  Yoga, yet doubts the truth of them, he will have his doubts set at rest, when, after a little practice, these things come to him, and he will persevere. "

I remember that you once mentioned something about cognizing your internal physical body structures. Sri Aurobindo seems to have written something to that effect in a small letter to a disciple while saying something about smells:

"The seeing of the body (at least one's own) in its internal parts is a yogic power developed by the Raja and Hathayogins I suppose it could be extended to the body of others. There is also the sense of subtle smells and I have noticed that sometimes one smell persists."

He mentions smells in a few more letters apart from the above one in the following collection(you may search the word "smell"):
https://www.aurobindo.ru/workings/sa/23/0011_e.htm

Also, development of "subtle olfactory sense" is considered very conducive to enhancement of animal-like perception eg of sudden changes in weather, Earthquackes and other natural calamities(this is also something my dad has had an unintentional development )

I would like to add that "solipsistic" attitude is quite natural to the egoic mind when newer levels of bliss and power are experienced by it in meditation and is quite detrimental to progress, especially in NDM(this kinda meditation is especially anti to that attitude). That's one great reason why most serious yogis usually have some place for "devotion" in their practice, as, if nothing, it would keep egoic obstructions in check. This phase of Sadhana is very frequently talked about in traditonal yoga.
An ancient allegory: When, after a long labour, man reaches the doors of Lord's house, he sees jewels(powers) strewn around it. His future depends on whether he gets busy collecting them, or walks indifferently through the door.

While digression towards powers amounts to a postitve failure, but even a strong "I am" attitude is injurious to the receptivity that slowly deepens at higher levels of practice.
I have anyway graduated from "godless" NDM to a more devotional approach leading to far faster processing of "dukkha" and much greater and easier force of Sadhana. I have been able to cross inner barriers on and off the cushion by this attitude that I would only partially/unreliably trancend after weeks of mental gymnastics with techniques of "self reliance" philosophies. This speed is especially dependent on me progressively surrendering "doership", even in daily works. If you deem it appropriate, inculcate some measure against that attitude, it is not even Subjective Reality stuff(where your own individuality is a dream).
« Last Edit: February 25, 2018, 08:27:58 PM by Arpan »

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Re: Time Dilation / Smell of Flowers
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2018, 08:29:55 PM »
"The seeing of the body (at least one's own) in its internal parts is a yogic power developed by the Raja and Hathayogins I suppose it could be extended to the body of others..."

It does indeed extend to the bodies of others. I can now quite effortlessly see inside your body (and animals, too). It looks similar to this:



Hence why I have offered this free healing service: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/forum2/magick-the-powers/free-healing-service/

Thanks for the reply.

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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2018, 08:42:50 PM »
While I understand that magick healing can be done via many modalities, but have you ever visually perceived something like an "energy pattern" sitting where a person feels discomfort//illness ?
That's how some people(who themselves had subtle vision)seem to report Sri Aurobindo curing some less severe ailments: "Could see a subtle strand emanating from him and plucking out the pattern from that man's head".
For more severe stuff he would use other modalities.
I personally have never experienced illness in visual manner.

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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2018, 08:59:16 PM »
While I understand that magick healing can be done via many modalities, but have you ever visually perceived something like an "energy pattern" sitting where a person feels discomfort//illness ?

Indeed there is an energy pattern. However it is often not where their discomfort is reported (though often it is there, depending on the nature of the complaint). Also, when I heal at a distance, by meditating on a vision of the person with eyes closed (which now often spontaneously causes me to enter jhana), my hands will intuitively "work" on various locations on their body which would appear to have nothing to do with their complaint from a logical or mechanistic perspective.

I am interested in testing it more on willing subjects who will report back before I make any claims; it's possible everything I just wrote is nonsense. However I have spontaneously removed pain and other symptoms from two people very recently, with their knowledge.

I can also pacify babies and animals by seeing their energy patterns and entering the first jhana on that vision.

These skills and all other aspects of my yogic practice have taken a serious upward climb since switching to NDM. My DM is noticeably more robust and no longer causes me the tension/pain I reported a while ago (which caused me to switch to NDM in the first place).

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Re: Time Dilation / Smell of Flowers
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2018, 09:06:09 PM »
Re animals and babies: animals(especially dogs) do seem to bond with me amazingly quickly and well. I have recently seen that I can get them(stray ones) to follow my "orders" with only a slight effort eg.to fetch a particular object out of 4 or 5 lying close to each other. Not much success with human babies though.

You might find this interesting:
https://youtu.be/xxWDJdOqxmQ

Btw, has your left side healed completely ?
And happy birthday!
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2018, 02:36:26 PM »
Reviewing past few months I recall now that Time dilation and contraction both have been occurring rythmically. It's quite impacted by my mood too. If my consciousness is a bit lax, it's more of dilation(not the laxity of dullness and dilation caused by boredom, but that of gentle clear bliss). And since about a month I am experiencing deep Shamatha states, and thus frequent Time Contraction on a lukewarm scale. It struck me as today's meditation led to a powerful warp in my perception towards the time-contraction side. Like Jhanas, any experience via NDM is less amenable to clear cut maps for me.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2018, 07:56:12 PM »
Does the time dilation or the illusion of bending time extend outside the meditation as well, e.g. to the day itself?

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Re: Time Dilation / Smell of Flowers
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2018, 08:25:05 PM »
Yes, I've had time dilation last days after longer sessions.
Even after it happened I could not believe that It would not have happened anyway. That's how strange this whole thing is.

- Neville Goddard

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Re: Time Dilation / Smell of Flowers
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2018, 09:10:23 PM »
Yes it does, but atleast in my case, only after one is fairly versed at meditation. With a clearer mind you can easily absorb into any task, thus making "the day go by faster". As you progress, your consciousness can naturally remain in a concentrated attitude even without a specific task to perform, thus making your average perception of time different than that of an average person.
This contains an interesting perspective on the subject:

https://auromere.wordpress.com/cosmology/spacetime/

Here's an example, out of many, of different perception of time on different spheres of Existence, from the Hindu lore:

https://vedicambassador.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/time-travel-in-ancient-hindu-texts/

PS: It's not "just an illusion" at all levels of meditative experience. It does accompany a slowing down of your metabolic functions and further, ageing process itself(especially as some nerves of the body never get a rest except in deep Shamatha states).
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2018, 09:20:55 PM »
Does the time dilation or the illusion of bending time extend outside the meditation as well, e.g. to the day itself?

Not really. Occasionally when very happy a day will seem to last longer than usual. But that was happening before this meditation artefact.

The other instance when time dilation is very noticeable in the day is when moving through a Fear stage in the Path of Insight. Regular people experience that several times in their lives; when there is an emergency time seems to slow right down, and that slowing can persist sometimes for hours (which feel like days, and are utterly exhausting). But, fortunately, I do not experience the Fear territory since switching to NDM.

(Side note: The only territories which really stand forward in NDM are the A&P, Dissolution, and Equanimity, but even those are nowhere near as pronounced as they are with DM. In short, NDM rocks! :D)

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2018, 09:38:05 PM »
Btw, has your left side healed completely ?

"Healed" is perhaps not the right word since there was nothing physically wrong with the tissue.

To cut short what would be a very long post, the issue was certain nerves on the left side not being fired. I have since found that these nerves are part of the right brain's "emotional state self-testing" service (possibly vagus nerve... certainly something "key" along the left nadi, particularly in the neck). So, if you ask yourself how you feel, those nerves would come online and reveal your emotional state to you (and IMMEDIATELY pass perception over to right brain dominance for a short time). Now, this service is supposed to fire regularly. However I had been suppressing it for MANY years since:

1) I always used to feel like crap and this suppression stopped those feelings to a degree (so it was a suppression of negative emotional state perception) and
2) Directive meditation of the intensity I was doing involved using the left brain to establish a vivid object or hard energy state and this involved suppressing the "check body's emotional state" service. I would only allow myself to check back in emotionally when positive affect would arise as a result of the meditation.

The end result of these habits is that I had monitoring of my emotional state turned off for many years in day-to-day life.

Now, in my model, if certain nerves are not fired in rhythm with the others, they can be considered "frozen", and the rest of the body's tissues move around them and wind around them since they are not firing (which is a signal to release tissue from wound positions). We can see this in tremors when dormant nerves spontaneously fire and release such winds.

Anyway, a long story short, one day I asked myself, "How am I feeling?" and noticed the entire left side began to release. Oh, the answer that came back, by the way, was "Fine!" That is an answer it would seem I had not dared ask myself possibly for ten years, maybe even longer. I am now rehabituating that circuit into ongoing action with custom meditations that involve asking that question but also seeing what the process of checking the emotional state feels like without the verbal prompt so that that pattern can be returned back into normal functioning.

My view on meditation currently is all about INTEGRATION. Dormant nerves, dormant circuits, suppressed perceptive modes, suppressed self-inquiry, etc... Becoming "whole" is about finding what is turned off (usually due to bad experiences) and bring it back online, and to integrate it into the I-feeling. The I-feeling can be seen as an amorphous "integrating signal" that arises from systems (or subminds as Culadasa would call them) getting back on the same page and working as one.

So, to answer your question, the left side is getting better every day because it is now just a process of losing the winds (the millionfold wound tissues around what were suppressed/dormant nerves).