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Arpan

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TM style mantra meditation
« on: January 04, 2018, 07:19:16 PM »
In response to:
http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/forum2/nondirective-meditation-self-inquiry/awareness-watching-awareness-qa-with-luminousbliss/msg373/#msg373

Hard things first:
1. The directive/controlling/ambitious mindset is the greatest hindrance in this method. Infact, it can be considered as the sole hindrance. This cannot be emphasized enough.

2. This process verges on "non process". It is a process that would work in quite an organic linkage to your individual state, thus it's not a simple mechanical set of steps that can be precisely stated here, which everyone can follow in exactly the same way for all times. It would "grow" onto your mind, and you will have to "do" less and less.

3. For above 2 reasons, it is quite difficult to teach through a fixed, general written instruction as opposed to flexible personal guidance.(thus the paid personal instruction in TM and NSR).

Process: (please "feel" the metaphors/imagery I use)
1. Choose a simple syllable(mantra). In my opinion a sonorous mono-syllable eg Om or Ram(rhymes with "calm") which does not mean anything to you intellectually would be best(if you have religious reservations about any such sounds, find your own, ensuring that the sound you choose does not trigger the intellect). For best results, the mantra should not be changed overtime.

2. Close your eyes, take a few deep breaths and relax for some seconds.

3. When you feel a bit settled, start to think of your mantra as effortlessly as a distracting thought comes to your mind. Just keep thinking the mantra at a comfortable pace and tone.
(Note, I avoided the word "chant", because it often brings to the mind quite a serious directed repetition, instead of easy, laid back, effortless one).

4. After a while, the mantra would seem to gain a momentum of its own. At this point, just let go off "intentionally" thinking the mantra. You might observe these 4 states alternating randomly(the belowstated sequence is of no significance):

A. Only thoughts: in this case, you don't need to "do" anything. When you realize that you are not aware of the mantra, just "hear" it again, if it is effortless to do so. Usually, just the "realization" would restart it in your head.
 Notice the word I used(hear). It's to emphasize the effortless nature of being aware of the mantra. Even more effortless than how you had started.

B. Thoughts and the mantra go on simultaneously: in this case, just gently "prefer" the mantra when it's effortless to do so. It's like preferring to hear just the bass-guitar(mantra) while the whole orchestra(ruckus of thoughts) is playing. You don't wish the orchestra to stop or to continue, you are unconcerned with it. You are just concerned about the bass-guitar. You should not "hold" onto the mantra, but just "prefer" it. If you lose it, repeat step A. Losing and regaining it is much better than holding onto it, as such alternations act as a wash-cycle for the mind. If the mantra goes on by itself and does not disappear, that too is good.

It might be pseudo-science, but TM/NSR teaching of considering these "thoughts" and "fatigue" as "stress release" is helpful. To some extent it's true in my experience. Anyway, it helps keeps a positive attitude towards these "disturbances" if you are previously conditioned to "fight them out" due to practice of a Concentrative/Directed meditation.

Just rest on the raft of your mantra as it bobs up and down on the turbulent ocean of your mind.

C. Only the mantra: That's good. Let it happen.

D. Deep silent awareness: Congrats! Stay in it, enjoy it as long as this state stays. You would not have thoughts of "missing" your mantra because your thinking-mind is silent in this state. More often you touch this state, longer and deeper would it become. Mind naturally craves its actual peaceful nature and as you practice, the mantra will guide you away from the uncomfortable ruckus of everyday-mind to this blissful state quicker.

5. DO NOT be concerned about things like:
A. Changes in tone of the mantra. Don't try to make it louder or fainter than it is naturally occuring to you.
B. Changes in pronunciation of mantra when it repeats on its own in your mind. It is allowed to change into entirely another sound or even a "feeling".
C. "Form" of the mantra: as your mind quietens and your awareness settles into deeper layers of itself, mantra would often take the form subtle enough to be suitable for that layer. In deeper silence, you mind "may" just feels it as a vague feeling "pulsating" somewhere in the depth of your being.

Meddling with the natural way the mantra is repeating itself in your mind is the easiest way you can derail your practice.
With some practice you would not need to repeat the mantra while starting a session, it would come to you with the slightest intention to "hear" it. Infact, people complain about it going on in their head throughout the day. Nevermind, just "float" on it whenever it occurs in your mind.

Benefits of mantra as an object:
1. More amenable to effortlessness, as it does not need to occupy a specific location in Feel(like breath sensations at nostril) or Image(like visualized objects) space. It is in image space that largest number of competing mental-movements occur, disrupting your object. The mantra can seem to go on in different parts of your head at times, including back of the head and temporal region(most common for me)
This, helps novices not tense-up about keeping the object "fixed" , as it would simply avoid "crowded" areas in your awareness on its own.

2. More defined than the breath: it would morph in realtime relation to your level of calm. You don't have to worry about "finding" it(like sensations of breath disappear)

3. Not tied to the body consciousness: It can become subtler and louder according to the depth of your awareness, at states where you are totally forgetful of any physical sensation.

Brief Solution to all your concerns while doing this meditation: Stop concerning yourself with the concern. Effortlessness, non striving, is the Only important thing in this process, rest is all fluff that's there to help you reach this.

Note: Mantra-NDM uses mantra as a gentle leaf to float your mind into pure NDM(Do Nothing) so that your experience of entering Do Nothing is less jarring(as if a novice jumped straight into the deep-end of the swimming pool). The slight engagement that the mantra provides, helps people scratch their Doing-itch before it gets their goat.

Prescribed sitting time is usually 15(NSR) or 20(TM) minutes.

Free Resources:

1. 1GiantMind app is the best detailed free guided resource I know of. Itís instructions are excellent, though the app is a bit clunky(too many areas locked unless you complete certain sessions of meditation etc).

2. Nondirective subreddit is an excellent place where its nuances have been discussed in excellent details many times over. It's definitely worth exploring. It also has a brilliant list of NDM guides, both with and without mantras. Some hardcore Ex directed meditation practioners have provided a valuable NDM vs DM experiential comparision.
Go to guys: Sovereign_Self and CrumbledFingers.

3. Deep Meditation:
https://www.aypsite.org/13.html

4. This short video by Deepak Chopra does justice to it:

https://youtu.be/PPDf4EvKm08

5. Natural meditation by Dean Sluyter(youtube: 2 parts). It's a slightly different version than what I explained.

6. This one's unethical: NSR course($ 25 legitimately) manual pdf is available online. It's the first search result if you google:
"nsr meditation manual pdf"
You will however not get the audio CD containing the syllable chanted to you as a starter.
(NSR is itself an organization started by a TM teacher who split up from the TM organization over the high-pricing issue. Don't really know if this is exactly a legal step as TM teachers have to sign a contract).

Note: all mantra- NDMs: 1GiantMind, NSR, Deepak Chopra's mantra meditation, Natural Medition etc are spin-offs of TM.

I have stated the best resources I know of. I do not consider this to be TM or NSR, but just my understanding of how meditations like these work.If you still wanna rely on this post for clarifications, post your questions. I might refine this post as new subtleties occur to me. It's very difficult to reduce this to writing.

*Please do not try to learn it from the many TM detractors on youtube. They miss all the subtlety of instruction, proving the TM/NSR guys right: This meditation can only be taught by teachers trained by us. These detractors subconsciously know how to relate to the mantra but it never occurs to their brilliant minds that this subtle relationship needs to be conveyed, just "chanting any hocus pocus word" wouldn't quite cut it.

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Re: TM style mantra meditation
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2018, 06:47:58 PM »
Brilliant. Perhaps it was beginner's luck but this induced deep calm within seconds.

I had actually been doing almost this very thing using "I" ("eyyyye") while initially playing with the I-feeling. However I knew that this was not the purpose of Self-Inquiry so kept it filed away rather than really getting into it as a mantra meditation.

What is NSR?

Also, which sound do you use, and do we need to hear an audio of its pronunciation?

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2018, 07:08:12 PM »
I had actually been doing almost this very thing using "I" ("eyyyye") while initially playing with the I-feeling.

If you go through the AYP Deep Meditation article I linked, it actually uses "I am" as a mantra, with no focus on its meaning.
According to me(confirmed by Tony and my own research) this object vs objectless debate is at a very superficial level of meditation. Even when you use an object, any object, purpose is to collect the mind, so that it notices that object in its subtler and subtler aspects, till it disappears, leaving pure awareness(samadhi). That's also what you are doing when you take your conception of "I" in the present moment as your object(thus in a way, any kind of "effort" in meditation is directed at some object).

What is NSR?

Natural Stress Relief. Another spin-off of TM.

Also, which sound do you use, and do we need to hear an audio of its pronunciation?

I have always used Om. Audio is not necessary according to me. I never heard one. I enquired about utility of NSR CD on the Nondirective subreddit. One meditator good with this tech who had bought the NSR course replied that the CD was not atall useful, and written instructions are sufficient if you can pick it from those.
I would advise some traditionally recognized mantra because even though you can use any object for meditation, it's a long way to Realization. In the meanwhile your object colours your awareness deeply: thus meditation on deity is better than meditation on a porn star. I trust traditional sounds on testimony of yogis of all hues(pick a sound of different religion if you want, but pick them from a tradition).

Also, TM and NSR forbid telling or saying the mantra outloud. There are two reasons for this:
1. They believe it "externalises" the sound in your system and interferes with gradual "sublimation". This is true only to a very slight extent in my opinion.
2. It's trasmitted to you by a lineage: this is bullcrap cz TM teacher training does not bestow you "power" lol. It might be true but that's on very advanced levels irrelevant to us.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 10:13:16 PM »
This meditation is the absolute business. Did you know I've been working on something similar for a few years now? I have various posts about using audio tones for certain things.

Your "let the mantra kind of appear distantly in your mind and merge with your body's currents" stuff is the key: it is the gateway between left brain (directed) and right brain (nondirected). As I choose to kind of "hear" the mantra appear I tune into the nonduality mode at the edges of the mantra and it also works on that deep unwinding along the left side we've been talking about.

I will write this method up as a post and it will go in the new Nondirective section (part of a general reshuffle of things to come).

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 10:14:03 PM »
Oh yeah and it can induce the bliss and rapid ongoing mood-lift of a much longer session, in a very short time.

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2018, 10:14:52 PM »
P.S. I have been using "ram" as the R sound tunes me in the quickest.

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2018, 07:22:21 AM »
Did you know I've been working on something similar for a few years now? I have various posts about using audio tones for certain things.
Where ? I had an impression that you did not have a good opinion about stuff like Binaural beats. Sounds(music at lower and mantras at a higher level) is a yogic science in itself( Naad Yoga and Mantra Vigyan quite parallel to Tantra) used for purposes ranging from tremendous-yet-easy magick(eg. musical notes to induce rain and fire, at a literal grosser as well as at a subtle level of being) upto Self-Realization.

Your "let the mantra kind of appear distantly in your mind and merge with your body's currents" stuff is the key: it is the gateway between left brain (directed) and right brain (nondirected). As I choose to kind of "hear" the mantra appear I tune into the nonduality mode at the edges of the mantra and it also works on that deep unwinding along the left side we've been talking about.
One who gets the concept of "hearing" it, has got a good foothold in this tech, IMO. My metaphors are also meant to serve as suggestions to the reader's mind. I have long given up left-brained explainations as they are not flexible enough, they subtly give primacy to left-brain linear worldview (matter over mind) which does not help train the other person to tap into his "non dual" side.

Oh yeah and it can induce the bliss and rapid ongoing mood-lift of a much longer session, in a very short time.
Ditto my experience. Most NDM practitioners also suggest arising out of the meditation slowly: attune yourself to outer world by starting to hear sounds in the environment for a minute with eyes still closed.

P.S. I have been using "ram" as the R sound tunes me in the quickest.
It's one sound considered to be synonymous with Om in its effects. Btw, it rhymes with "calm" and not "cam".
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Re: TM style mantra meditation
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2018, 05:15:49 PM »
http://swamij.com/Sounds/bijas-chakras-96.mp3

This is a recording of the mantra for each chakra (Ram in the third one).
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2018, 05:38:55 PM »
http://swamij.com/Sounds/bijas-chakras-96.mp3

This is a recording of the mantra for each chakra (Ram in the third one).

That is different from Ram mantra I intended to write here. It's not bija of a specific chakra(rhyming with "rum", written in Sanskrit/Hindi as: रं, mantra of the navel chakra Manipur) , it is an entirely different mantra in its own right(rhyming with "calm", written in Sanskrit/Hindi as: राम).
This issue comes because English has no clearly different symbols for: "a" and "aa" if we don't resort to complex letters of Hunter's system.
Though both are mantras, one can choose anyone as per preference(and stick to it). There is also: shreem, aing, hreem etc.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2018, 06:03:20 PM »
I see.
Even after it happened I could not believe that It would not have happened anyway. That's how strange this whole thing is.

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2018, 06:14:22 PM »
Question - What is the deal with all the secrecy behind mantras?

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2018, 07:14:40 PM »
It's a very vast topic in itself. As I stated in a post above, Mantra Vigyan(science of mantras) and Naad Yoga(yoga of sound) are an entire field of study.
However, I can put accross a few points:
A. How are mantras conceived: There are 4 levels of Vak/"speech":
1. Vaikhari: Oral
2. Madhyama: Mental
3. Pashyanti: Causal
4. Para: Spiritual: best for boons and curses.
As you enter deeper levels of silence/receptivity, your consciousness becomes subtler and can perceive Brahman(supreme reality) on subtler and subtler levels. You can perceive various things on mundane plane resolve back into more greater and general forces eg:
-Creation( creativity, reproduction and knowledge, wisdom etc on mundane plane)
-Sustenance(wealth, health, luck etc on mundane plane)
-Destruction(negative/dark forces of decay, strife, pain etc on mundane plane)
Even mantras of chakras were "discovered" in deep silent and clear awareness of those chakras.
When you perceive any major or minor quality/force that manifests from Unmanifest Brahman at the level of Para Vak, you can transmit that perception directly to someone at that level of awareness. However, for someone at a grosser level, you would transmit an approximation of that vibration on that level.
Mantras are such approximations on the most mundane/oral/vaikhari level.
A disciple can meditate on the mantra and reverse engineer it to get to its source vibration. However, its a tardy process, and one can easily do it inaccurately.
Best is when a guru gives the mantra and transmits a portion of his spiritual energy and the subtler vibration of the mantra to the disciple.
Even in Self Enquiry, if you read Paul Brunton's account, Ramana Maharshi guided him internally to the "I" and he realized the Self within a few weeks I guess(at the Ashram). Ramana btw was a master of Silence. He could understand people speaking languages alien to him because he could hear them on subtler levels of their being, where differences of human languages are redundant.
The process of going to finer levels of speech is also calld Vak Shuddhi(purification of speech). It is effected by:
1. Silence
2. Restraining undisciplined/casual expressions of energy getting released via speech.
Constant repetition of mantra helps here.
If you express your mantra casually, you interfere with the sublimation process if the mantra as well as throw out valuable energy, losing it and even affecting others.
Also, if you use a mantra, especially uninitiated, it loses significance in your mind and you become more and more jaded and unreceptive to it later on.
Also: Dying/retiring gurus in all Eastern traditions, often transmit all their subtle knowledge, realizations and powers to their chief disciple(even master Dogen and Swami Vivekanand received this way). A disciple's difficult karmic impressions which have yet not activated are also taken by a real guru on himself(this is sometimes done by magick healers and saints too). Thus, the reverence for a master and thus why masters don't reveal their mantras casually to untested souls.

B. Safety: to stop words of great potential power from falling in hands of people with unrefined minds. This is even more harmful for them than their victims. There are explicit tales where a small mantra recited to gain ability to destroy some particular person, due to an emphasis on a slightly wrong note, changed the whole meaning(Sanskrit is a very precise and tricky language), thus causing the reciter to be destroyed by his intended victim.
It is also a lot like Krityas(conscious energy-manifestations) created by a Tantrik to terribly harm(usually kill) someone. Krityas are created to fulfill their destructive objective at all costs and rebound upon the caster if they cannot harm the victim. They usually fail, if they don't find any vibration in the victim's consciousness with which they can resonate. Thus, very pure people are usually not to be messed with in these ways according to Tantric texts.

C. Certain mantras can be used as "weapons" and are reserved for those who can develop a sufficient level of purity and concentration of mind to "wield" them.

D. Today's media has helped in open proliferation of mantras and techs. This leads to people jumping from one to another, wasting time, energy and focus. All these were easier to build when you were exposed to only certain mantras and deities and texts.

These are only few, poorly explained reasons.
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2018, 08:30:49 PM »
Thanks for the explanation.
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2018, 03:56:36 PM »
Arpan, I am following your guidance here:

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3. When you feel a bit settled, start to think of your mantra as effortlessly as a distracting thought comes to your mind. Just keep thinking the mantra at a comfortable pace and tone.

Very often, it will come in "raaaaaa..." then change into a continuous tone "...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam" that "wants" to go on indefinitely. Do I let it turn into a drone in this way? The drone will tend to modulate itself and join with my body's own currents if I do.

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2018, 04:10:09 PM »
Your "let the mantra kind of appear distantly in your mind and merge with your body's currents" stuff is the key: it is the gateway between left brain (directed) and right brain (nondirected). As I choose to kind of "hear" the mantra appear I tune into the nonduality mode at the edges of the mantra and it also works on that deep unwinding along the left side we've been talking about.
I have a little doubt about what you are doing here. You have not to choose to hear it distantly. This is not to be done intentionally. Even if it gives "good" results when it happens. You must not try to skip stuff by recreating the phases that "worked" last time. If it happens by itself , let it. Sometimes the mantra becomes louder again, that must be allowed too. Basically, you have to trust the process and let go. Your job is strictly to just "prefer" the mantra. I did not mention "body currents". I kinda usually feel the "mantra-pulse" somewhere deep, beyond the body and everyday-mind. Though sometimes it mixes with body-currents too. Don't "choose" it to happen anyway, just start at an obvious tone and let it work.

Arpan, I am following your guidance here:

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3. When you feel a bit settled, start to think of your mantra as effortlessly as a distracting thought comes to your mind. Just keep thinking the mantra at a comfortable pace and tone.

Very often, it will come in "raaaaaa..." then change into a continuous tone "...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam" that "wants" to go on indefinitely. Do I let it turn into a drone in this way? The drone will tend to modulate itself and join with my body's own currents if I do.
Make an intentional start, so that the mantra is accurate initially, if it's not coming that way naturally to you yet.
Later on, as I said above, let it do what it wants. It can also turn into a completely undesirable(another feeling to let be) tone, kinda harsh drone. Just let it work, don't anticipate, don't modulate, even where it seems an obviously good step to take.
Some difficulties you have with Do Nothing, can arise here too(I am just guessing, based on your nature, and what I have seen DM ppl do).

Btw, can you link me to any post of yours on audio tones ?
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