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Arpan

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« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2017, 02:22:59 PM »
@Wetwaterdrop: Do you have any suggestions regarding sources to learn something about shamanism outside purely drug related stuff ?
I am currently reading Journey to Ixtlan by Carlos Castaneda.

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« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2017, 07:45:09 PM »
https://thefourwinds.com/blog/

The blog posts on that site are basically the chapters of the guys books hes written.

I got to work with him and his students once in New York. I had very strong experiences based on ceremonies he held and the initiation his student performed on me. Being around all those people was like being in the twilight-zone in a sense.

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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2017, 08:05:13 AM »
https://thefourwinds.com/blog/shamanism/the-bridge-to-eternity/

I particularity I enjoy the description of the 8th and 9th chakras.

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« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2017, 09:58:07 AM »
Great link!
Though when they map their stuff onto hindu concepts they get a bit wrong.
Eg. While talking abt 6th/ajna chakra they say Ajna means Infinite Power. No, Ajna literally means Command. In its feeble everyday working, it helps you imagine stuff. When awakened it gives you perfect power of resolution. Initially you can command your mind and body to do very difficult things and later on your visualizations/intents fructify(Universe "obeys" your "command"). It is also the seat of intuition and inner vision/insight. Thus it is said that Shiva's 3rd eye can burn the world to ashes, as only it can straightaway penetrate through fluff and see the real spiritual power/value in any person/thing.

Also, the gland for 6th Chakra is not pituitary bit Pineal(though glands are just physical approximations of chakras and have no real value). This chakra is something my father and some other practitioners I know have worked on intentionally or unintentionally. It's amazing to see the depth of insight and foresight they have in almost every situation and person as well as the will to execute their plans. Though it does disturb one much when one can look into people and does not have enough cultivation of heart chakra to deal with the truth(seen this personally).

I read about 8th and 9th. I found it interesting that they talk about more than classical 6/7 chakras and mention chakras "above" the head. This is talked about in very few texts and hardly ever in popular ones.
This is one place where more than 7 chakras are talked about and is quite correct as per my knowledge:

https://auromere.wordpress.com/constitution-of-man/chakras/
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2017, 10:41:55 PM »
Hmmm, well if you can command the universe that may be considered infinite power.

Chakras are something I don't have much experience with other than I have felt mine activate but I've never really been able to intentionally do anything with them.

How, in your experience, does one intentionally work on a chakra?




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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2017, 04:45:22 AM »
In yogic sense, true power and knowledge does not lie in Duality but in Unity. Not in competition but in intimacy. Thus, it's the crown chakra or Sahasrar that truly opens up all faculties of your mind which are innumerable(thus often it is not called as the 7th chakra but venerated as the 1000 petalled lotus). Here you feel One with the Universe.
If you wanna attain power in worldly sense, with a passion and energy for accomplishments of the body and outer world, it is the Navel chakra(Manipur) you must focus on. It's the centre for body and extroverted will, while Ajna is for inner spiritual will of a yogi. This chakra majes for successful statesman, warrior, businessman etc. It gives good health too. Japanese call it Hara and this is the point where Samurais used to start cutting their bellies when committing Hara Kiri(ritual suicide). They were often taught to concentrated their energies here to maintain physical vigour through old age. India being less martially inclined than japs, very quickly became top heavy(mainly interested in chakras from crown to heart). You may also notice that in Astral Travel, the "silver cord" connects the astral body to the navel in physical body. The umblical cord in womb connnects the mother to the embryo's navel too.
One other centre for power in sense of having an influence in your words which is necessary for good leadership is throat chakra.

Working on Chakras: I posted a link about a book in the last thread I started about Integral Yoga. That contains the safest and best way to feel and awaken the chakras. Once you get deeply becalmed and conscious, these energy centres become apparent to you. They would one day blossom, no matter what path you follow, as your being falls in harmony with Existence. Like all other faculties, they are closed, because you do not need them at your current level of development.

To awaken them deliberately and forcefully, you just have to concentrate at the physical location apptoximating them. In classical tantra, each chakra is represented by a flower of particular colour and number of petals and a bija(seed) mantra which you must imagine to be at the physical point. It's a symbolism who's meaning will become apparant yo you as you dwell on it in deep right brained meditative awareness(eg 1000 petals of crown chakra meaning innumerable powers). This is really the way of unlocking symbolism behind all deity-images, atleast in Hindu and Buddhist pantheon.
A good way to focus on a chakra according to Sri Aurobindo:
"What you do is to think firmly from there on whatever you make the object of your concentration or else try to see the image of it from there. If you succeed in this then after a time you feel that your whole consciousness is centred there in that place of course for the time being. After doing it for some time and often it becomes easy and normal."
I personally find this way easier, as in, to establish my sense of self on that point and then meditating on whatever I wish.

I can't stress it enough, but following moral precepts is extrenely important if you wanna meddle with chakras or kundalini(often release of a pleasurable minor pranic current is mistaken as chakra or kundalini phenomenon by Western yogis. Kundalini feels like a major and chakra like a minor rebirth. No "impurity" remains post kundalini).
If you have impurities in your being, especially mental/vital then kundalini as well as chakra awakening will "burn" them away very forcefully. If you are established in an impure way of being it would cause a major disruption.
Kundalini and chakra awakening often leads to sudden spurts of abilities like spontaneous knowledge of many new languages, spontaneous flow of poetry, ambidexterity etc.

Thus, it's said that safest bet is to first awaken the heart centre. This itself awakens a lot of creativity, disinckines the mind to lower pleasures and gives the emotional balance to deal with highs and lows of awakenings of other chakras.

Also, if you indulge in an activity associated with a chakra, it does become more and more active. Eg, if you practice being mindful, equsnimous, clear sighted, you will start feeling a pressure on ajna chakra. If you practice metta, devotion or objectless love for your fellows, your heart chakra would be slowly activated. If you have an open, daring, vigorous and outgoing persona you will by and by activate your navel chakra starting with disappearance of constipation(both mental and literally physical).

One such undisciplined awakening can be read about here(this guy brought Kundalini to notice of West and wrote books too):
http://www.om-guru.com/html/saints/gopi.html

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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2017, 11:44:39 PM »
Thanks for the feedback, I've read both of those.

pretty much every time I meditate I feel blocks in my 2nd chakra, and energy sensations in the third eye.


Aurobindo recommends silence, and in the silence you'll discover more depth. In my experience that's true, but instead of passively watching as my attention is brought to chakras, I was hoping there was more of an active way to interact with them, I guess that would just be diving deeper and penetrating with concentration.

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2017, 02:02:23 AM »
"Purification" in yoga means: decluttering of the being. It's deeper than morality and is more about reaching a state of perfectly harmonious flow of Prana and mutually non confusing action of organs(eg faculty of emotion should not impede logic etc).

Blockages you mention are a result of lack of purification. In a person like Buddha chakras would open and Kundalini would rise so smoothly that he would barely notice.
The theory behind Silence is that:
1.  it allows your being to settle more and more into this natural state, starting from thinking mind, permeating rest of your being(physical and vital).
2. It forms the firmest foundation of lasting change. In a turbulent being, experiences don't get established.
3. Nature/God actually transforms you quicker if you look at the War and not a particular battle. Thus, best thing to be done is to "hinder least possible" the action of Grace/God/Nature.
 
That is how I stuck to Do Nothing/Being meditations. While initially they would not bring success in one particular session, would have less chance of generating jhana etc., they worked slowly and steadily, under the radar. Hard and fast jhana meditation would bring you jazzy light/bliss/energy experiences, but you fall down to the same place with little permanent advancement.

Aurobindo does teach concentrating on 3 of the centres(crown, forehead and heart), but teaches that liberation of kundalini and overall awakening would be slower this way.
That's something close to my experience with Descending Kundalini. I can feel it inundate me upto the back of my jaws in just a moment of concentration. This effortlessly started unwinding my Ajna chakra as well as Anahat(heart) chakra (in later stages) giving me great glimpses of their power. However, lack of regular practice and issues of work-life got the better of me, now back on track.

So yeah, play with stuff, ultimately no matter what path you choose, persistence would pay.
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