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wetwaterdrop

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Play with this before a task or while pondering a goal...

"What would this be like, if it were easy?
Even after it happened I could not believe that It would not have happened anyway. That's how strange this whole thing is.

- Neville Goddard

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2019, 10:28:52 AM »
Very simple, but very effective :)

thanks for sharing

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2019, 09:10:09 PM »
Very interesting. It's an underrated way to be more creative as well as to enter into the right consciousness to face any work.

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2019, 12:36:24 AM »
It's a valid hack -- works brilliantly, and I have used this (and variations) many times.

But I have a question: Do you find there is a repeatability issue?

E.g. I can play golf one week and use the advice Bagger Vance gave -- "Just swing the club" -- and drop the ball on the green off the tee. The next week I use the same prompt and hook it onto another fairway. I play golf infrequently and believing some hack will work makes it work with immediate effect. Then there is a state shift to somewhere between "Is it really that easy?" and "I'm a fraud". Sometimes the first mindset will last a few holes; most of the time it disappears quickly. This has led to me giving up on "hacks" entirely.

I've seen this "hack" effect with a million different techniques, drugs, you name it. Remember when I took venlafaxine and beat a chess computer on FIDE level 1700? That has never, ever happened again. I played plenty of chess after that and never had the board become 4D, seeing ten moves ahead, on or off that drug or any drug. I probably couldn't beat a computer on 900, now.

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2019, 04:45:02 AM »
I have never believed in hacks. Reason being: they do not solve any problem at its roots, they just bypass it and postpone the work for later.
Eg. in meditation, a hack, at its best, can give you a glimpse of the "beyond" and strengthen your faith(which may be counterproductive), by piercing a hole in your ordinary consciousness. It does not work out the problems in your surface mind. That is why Patanjali lists even drugs as a means for samadhi, but no one says that drugs can lead to enlightenment. Hence, I never really sifted through a lot of meditation techs either.
Problems are all inside us, and not "out there", and when we bypass them, they just lie in waiting to ambush us with often redoubled force at some future time. All children of materialistic philosophy: alleviating suffering in the world, via scientific/technological advancement, financial uplift and through philanthropy are hacks, they do not solve the real issue: worms slithering in man's mind. Results are there for us to see.

In short: There is no shortcut, only higher and lower planes of being from which to approach a problem.

In view of the above, I did not view wetwaterdrop's statement as a hack at all, not even once. It is a certain attitude I would meditate upon before starting some work, which would put me in the optimal state of mind. From this state of mind, insights might flow with ease, sometimes even before I start the work. Everything is there inside us already waiting for the petty clamour of the surface mind to calm down. If I am untrained/pessimistic by nature, then holding this attitude itself may be difficult as all my doubts, skepticism etc would continually rise in rebellion. Thus, the labour is demanded in one form or the other. Though if I labour from a higher station of consciousness, then resources and freedom of that state would make the work easier from the standpoint of a lower station of consciousness.
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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2019, 01:46:04 PM »
Then my next question is, why would my mind let me do something easily once, then put up obstacles the next several times?

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2019, 02:18:44 PM »
I won't look at this as "my mind allowing me to do something". Mind is far more amorphous a thing(and a semi-awakened "living" substance). According to how you act daily(act in outer life as well as act purely in the mind), the weaknesses and habit forces in the mind have taken a certain expression to harmonize with that. That is why the first time you crack a coding problem, it belies all previous mental experience, and shakes up the pre-formed structure taken by your "gooey habit forces" and you get an "aha" experience. Next time you do it, those same nefarious forces now create a structure of complication around this new experience. Now, it becomes about: "work as usual", "deadlines", ego issues etc.
These energies are ASKING for RESOLUTION. They will find infinite ways to hijack your attempts, much like sand finds infinite ways to leak out of the hand.  These are not diseases in your mind, but a pointers to a deeper fulfillment. They will not let you rest until you find their root, i.e. unconsciousness/ignorance and incinerate it.

If you are sufficiently intellectual in nature, you must have actually consciously shot yourself in the foot plenty of times, this process is not always totally unconscious. You(not about you specifically, it happens to all intellectuals) get a new meditative experience, and you will analyze it to death. You will try to find new ways to optimize it, then teach it to a select group of people as a pilot project and then get into the complications for optimizing it for various human-types you encounter with their unique problems(of which you don't get sufficient data about in 90% cases because you have never even seen those people). All this efficiently covers up the childlike spontaneity of the soul, or atleast deeper and purer parts of the mind, which was the real cause of the experience, while the technique being only an excuse, an occasion for it to occur, since you stopped your calculations. This is what Ajahn Brahm emphasises(and you yourelf cycle back to often), when he says: The day I had sex with my gf I rode to the meditation centre having no expectation for jhana since I had broken the sheela. And viola! I had it.

Don't get me wrong, technology, of any sort, is a "mastery over details", represented by Saraswati herself in Hinduism and Buddhism. It has its place. But its place is not in bypassing nature, inner or outer. Nature of its work is to patiently understand nature and slowly labour for perfection in view of the knowledge that arises. The plethora of meditation techs, thus, have a benefit: Some align well with some people, some align well with other people. But once some meditation tech has worked well, it proves that one has "understood" it(unlike when people do not get it atall, like often in case of Do Nothing) at an experiential level, and then one must stick to it through thick and thin till it has been fully realized. Else, the "technological" mind remains in overdrive and oversteps its mandate, leaving one flitting from one thing to another, like honey bees who represent something of Saraswati's power.
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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2019, 04:41:14 PM »
It's a valid hack -- works brilliantly, and I have used this (and variations) many times.

But I have a question: Do you find there is a repeatability issue?

E.g. I can play golf one week and use the advice Bagger Vance gave -- "Just swing the club" -- and drop the ball on the green off the tee. The next week I use the same prompt and hook it onto another fairway. I play golf infrequently and believing some hack will work makes it work with immediate effect. Then there is a state shift to somewhere between "Is it really that easy?" and "I'm a fraud". Sometimes the first mindset will last a few holes; most of the time it disappears quickly. This has led to me giving up on "hacks" entirely.

I've seen this "hack" effect with a million different techniques, drugs, you name it. Remember when I took venlafaxine and beat a chess computer on FIDE level 1700? That has never, ever happened again. I played plenty of chess after that and never had the board become 4D, seeing ten moves ahead, on or off that drug or any drug. I probably couldn't beat a computer on 900, now.


It's not like a hack or anything, its just a state of being.


If your state of being is "life is hard" then the universe is going to make this true for you, that is to say you are going to make it true for you.

If you grew up like I did, with "you have to give 110%, work hard, life won't hand you anything!!!", and the state you operating your life from, is "life is hard" then you are going to have a lot of very tense, stressful beliefs that are going to spring forth from that state of being.

Most people have that, I know I certainly did, and to a degree still do.

How do we overcome it?

Habit, you have to overcome your previous habit.

How do we do that?

Repetition.

Whenever you are knocked out of state, you have to gently pull yourself back into it, and surrender to the state you wish to be in.

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Then my next question is, why would my mind let me do something easily once, then put up obstacles the next several times?

How many times have you told yourself you hate XYZ qualities in a person, but now when those qualities arise in a person, in your reality, you use your love metta instead of a negative reaction. Same thing.




Even after it happened I could not believe that It would not have happened anyway. That's how strange this whole thing is.

- Neville Goddard

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2019, 06:08:50 PM »
I just bought a couple of scratch cards and, just before scratching them, thought: "What would this be like, if it were easy?"



260 won.

Cheers, James! :D

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2019, 06:35:07 PM »
Ha, awesome   ;D
Even after it happened I could not believe that It would not have happened anyway. That's how strange this whole thing is.

- Neville Goddard

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2019, 06:35:42 PM »
If you grew up like I did, with "you have to give 110%, work hard, life won't hand you anything!!!", and the state you operating your life from, is "life is hard" then you are going to have a lot of very tense, stressful beliefs that are going to spring forth from that state of being.
I would like to reveal the obverse side of this:

I have had a very different upbringing with the sermon: "We have enough for you, BUT you must work hard to prove your worth as a man. You should not be viewed in the society as a useless kid who got everything from his dad."

This I find to be a truly complicated standpoint for ACTING in life, if one is naturally unambitious like me. I thought I could "awaken" if I was far from home in a situation where I would have to arrange everything. Been there, and ended up adapting to the poor man's lifestyle with a smile. Protecting me from the stressful nature of the attitude you mention in the above lines was what my parents' intention was, and I see the wisdom in it. But then someone with no natural kinesis cannot get off his arse!.
Conquering this has become my ultimate challenge and single minded project now, and everything I do for a living is with this aim in mind.
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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2019, 04:38:11 PM »
Are you saying... you'd like to earn more money / have more success but don't have the drive?
Even after it happened I could not believe that It would not have happened anyway. That's how strange this whole thing is.

- Neville Goddard

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2019, 05:22:26 PM »
To be more exact: I would like to be more capable, but there is just too much dullness. The lever of strong intent and action, the kind where by the very force of your intent and/or hard work you know you are going to succeed, is still desire. My detachment is not that of the Buddha/truly spiritual kind where I can but I am not going after things, it is pure laziness/dullness too smug in its half-lit self-sufficiency.
So yeah, I do not want to be rich or anything, but somewhere in my heart I know that this does not come from a wholesome attitude. Miraculously, I am doing fairly well, and if the pitch is maintained I might be able to create the same sort of "empire" that my dad can provide me. But it is still a struggle for me to do it. There is a lot of attachment to non-action. I resent meeting clients, cleverly bargaining with people etc, no matter how much money I am getting out of it.  It can take one to really unhealthy places e.g. I saw a distinct drop in my standards for women. I saw myself thinking it clever to go after neglected and easy to get women(which, thankfully, I never did). That is one reason why I do not watch porn or masturbate as it is a concrete habit amongst people who want things easy.Or living in dirty, cheap accomodations with very few facilities where the only thing between me and a first class accommodation was my laziness in going out and hunting, I had the money. I could see how such living conditions were taking a toll on my thinking and vibe, hence got different arrangements made. So I realize what's wrong in my attitude, but there is a huge inertia pulling me down and it takes a lot of effort to do anything against it. I am extremely severe in examining myself, and this is the only lamp in a sea of darkness.
And no, it is not about finding what interests me either: I am doing what interests me, but the moment "effort" comes in, interest disappears. I don't mind sitting idle the whole day.

It is not such an obscure problem, and untying the desire-and-action knot is talked about much in yoga.
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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2019, 05:29:27 PM »
I think most of here are smug lazy fucks  ;D


The real question is...


What would it be like, if it was easy?

 ;)



P. S. You seem to have no brakes when it comes to answering questions here and bridging the gap of western ignorance on Indian culture.
Even after it happened I could not believe that It would not have happened anyway. That's how strange this whole thing is.

- Neville Goddard

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Re: A simple question to ask yourself before doing anything....
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2019, 05:36:47 PM »
I think most of here are smug lazy fucks  ;D


The real question is...


What would it be like, if it was easy?

 ;)
I realize it, that is why your post struck me :D

P. S. You seem to have no brakes when it comes to answering questions here and bridging the gap of western ignorance on Indian culture.
I know, I give an overdose. This idea that "human beings can be aliens to each other due to being born in a different part of the globe in a different culture" has always fascinated me, in part fuelling my drive to learn and in part fuelling my drive to pour down like full cloud where I see an empty lake :P. Though to tell the truth, here I have seen the most contradictory forces coming up together: Extreme laziness in typing and Great desire to strike down the issue being discussed. lol