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Illuminatus

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Overexertions
« on: September 28, 2011, 10:06:35 AM »
A classic post from my mASF days.

Original post: 6th March 2009

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Women do become sexually aroused by the presence of a guy who either subcommunicates alpha traits or just looks good to her in some way. It happens in microseconds, just the same as it does in men when they see a woman they like. None of this "men are like a lightswitch; women are like a fader knob" shit - they are pretty much the same as us.

As your social acuity improves, you will see in real time that she is affected by your presence. Examples:

-Two girls are talking. You walk past, and suddenly one of their voices gets louder, and stops sounding natural. Sometimes this is followed by nervous laughter to cover it up.
-You walk up to the bar and suddenly girl starts fumbling with menu.
-Out of the corner of your eye you can see that the girl's gestures have become more pronounced and unnatural, as though self-conscious.
-Any situation where her behaviour suddenly becomes less natural and more pronounced as a result of your arrival. We assume it's sexual arousal because a) ALL interactions between men and women are sexual by nature, and b) If it's a low-value male with weak body language he will not affect her and her behaviour will not change, implying that she is subconsciously screening for sexual traits.

I call all of these overexertions because her body language and behaviours become more pronounced, and she "exerts" herself more for your benefit.

The previous behaviours occur when her being affected has just entered her awareness. When it has been in her awareness a bit longer, she may begin doing things like:

-If she noticed you earlier, she will suddenly appear next to you at the bar. C'mon, we have all had that happen at some point - a girl you know saw you suddenly appears next to you wherever you are.
-She may create a subtle situation for you to open her with, e.g. taking an inordinate amount of time choosing songs on the jukebox etc.
-Not so subtle situations, such as knocking into you at the bar.
-If she is particularly ballsy or just plain drunk, this could go to a full blown AI such as sitting on your lap, pinching your arse etc. These are rare but they do happen. Like I say, alcohol often plays a role here.

What I am trying to get you to think about here is that even if you don't consider yourself attractive, you will have SOME of these overexertions coming your way from SOME girls who just like your look or who aren't used to screening men very hard for alpha traits. Focusing on these girls will increase your lay rate considerably.

Girls who are not used to screening, who you will see more of these overexertions from, include: fatties and less hot girls who don't get a lot of male attention, and YOUNGER girls who are inexperienced with men. This latter category is cool because many of them are very hot and simply haven't yet learnt the art of a) Screening for alphas and b) Hiding their sexual arousal.

Knowing how to spot overexertions is entirely how naturals get laid.

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HOW NATURALS COLD APPROACH

From what I've seen, a natural's cold approach goes down one of two ways:

1) They subcommunicate alphaness ON PURPOSE to the girl, in the form of a smile, wink, or cheeky comment. Typically they do NOT "plough on" with the pickup, but will wait for her to respond so they know if it's on or not. Naturals rarely waste time on a dead target as they tend to know from the start whether it's going to work out.

2) They spot an overexertion and capitalize on it. If she's fumbling with the menu, he could say "choose that one there". One that I made up is if the girl "accidentally" knocks into me at the bar, I turn around and say "Why don't you just rape me ;)" which has worked great for me.

Because the girl did the overexertion, no matter how subtle, she knows she is in some way responsible for the interaction, and is therefore MUCH more likely to continue through to the end. There is a sense of investment, and that she's used her "wily girl ways" to get your attention.

A natural getting laid usually results from early interest from the woman, and nearly always goes down in this fashion. Most of the man's game is about escalating properly and not fucking it up at this point.

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IOIs vs. OVEREXERTIONS

Overexertions should be treated as IOIs.

The reason I've called them overexertions in this post is because "indicator of interest" may be misleading to a newb.

If you're inexperienced and looking for IOIs, you might tend to look for the really obvious ones, like her twiddling her hair etc.

What I'm saying is that IOIs occur on a spectrum from overexertions at the very bottom to approach invitations and statements of intent at the very top.

If you only focus on the obvious, you will miss the little overexertions at the bottom of the scale, and potentially fail to spot MANY girls who like you already.

Naturals get laid by chatting the girls they think already like them. They pick up on the girls who show them interest, and even if it's only 1%, they will go with those girls.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2013, 11:48:46 AM by Illuminatus »

ryanh

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Re: Overexertions
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 11:09:44 PM »
yup, i always liked this post.

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Re: Overexertions
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 02:04:45 AM »
yup, still like this post.

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Re: Overexertions
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 02:33:59 AM »
I've been wanting to write a post for a while, but I can't find the article to back up what I'm going to assert. I'm also not sure if you would qualify this as an overexertion or not. Oh well. So, sorry if this is vague, but I'm working from memory.

There was an article (I believe on ScienceDaily) that talked about how women wear their hair. Basically it said when a woman puts her hair up, for example in a ponytail, exposing her ear and her neck, she is in a state of mind where she is looking to attract sexual attention. It could be conscious or subconscious, related to her mood or to her hormones, I don't know. This theory is very interesting to me regardless.

Thinking back, can you notice a correlation between how friendly/open a woman was to you based on how she wore her hair? (I know this method of "data collection" is fraught with risk for hindsight bias)

Going forward, try to objectively observe women's behavior differences based on this. Are girls with their hair up seemingly in better moods? Do they seem more outgoing and sociable? Are they easier to start a conversation with?

I haven't tested the theory myself by trying to start conversations with lots of women, but I have applied it in this way: when my girlfriend (who I haven't shared this research with) wears her hair up, I make sure I fuck her that night. If she has her hair down, I might or I might not.

For those of you who are very actively looking for girls open to you, help me gather some data but don't treat this like it is a rule written in stone. Obviously it is a correlation and not cause and effect. Just as a girl who doesn't give you an overexertion might be open to you, a girl with her hair down might be open to you as well, so don't discount any possibilities.

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Re: Overexertions
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 03:01:32 AM »
I'm having a hard time remembering very many first time hook-ups I've had with girls who wore their hair up. In the US at least, when most girls go out for the night, they wear their hair down.

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Re: Overexertions
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 12:25:07 PM »
I'm having a hard time remembering very many first time hook-ups I've had with girls who wore their hair up. In the US at least, when most girls go out for the night, they wear their hair down.

I think this is more applicable during the day.

If girls are going out for the night, you can already safely assume they are more open.

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Re: Overexertions
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 07:43:30 AM »
Would you say an overexertion is just sudden muscle tension?

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Re: Overexertions
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2012, 10:23:35 AM »
Would you say an overexertion is just sudden muscle tension?

Well any emotion could be said to be that, since we only see the behavioural output, which is muscle tension (or relaxation).

It requires cognizance however. If you see a girl who is plain, you don't get flustered. Women are the same when looking at guys. If she doesn't flinch, you don't affect her. If she does, you do on some level. There is a "pattern-match" occurring in her brain to determine whether she is to get flustered or not.


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