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Phenibut Review
« on: February 20, 2013, 01:17:09 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut

Firstly, I cannot believe this drug is legal. It is a potent psychotropic with incredibly strong calming and pro-social effects.

Secondly, this may be the first drug I've encountered which gives a social experience on par with MDMA (although the experience itself is of a rather different quality). Since it does not appear to have the neurotoxicity associated with MDMA, nor the week-long come-down, phenibut may be the first real long-term solution for introverts seeking a pharmacological boost for their socializing.

I bought my phenibut in a 25g bag from eBay, which cost me about £10 including postage. I had to use my digital weighing scales to determine that a level teaspoon of phenibut is around 1 gram. Thus, a 1.5 teaspoon measure is roughly 1.5 grams -- the dose I took before my night out. Please note that this is grams, not milligrams -- you need to take a lot of phenibut to get the effects.

I stirred my phenibut into a glass of water, into which it dissolved easily, and drank it down. It was the worst tasting substance I have ever had in my mouth, and I've had some real corkers in my time. ;) I would say it took an hour or so before I started feeling the full effects. The effects lasted the entire night and I did not feel the need at any point to redose. This makes me happy. :)

Phenibut works on the GABA receptors. These are the main ones alcohol works on too, so you need to be really careful if you intend to drink. Chris from Good Looking Loser has done a really good phenibut review here: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2012/06/19/phenibut-review/
He says that while on phenibut, 1 alcoholic drink feels like 3. I'd say that's about right. What he doesn't say is that, while on phenibut, alcohol causes you to experience warm, all-permeating waves spreading across your face and entire body. These waves are highly pleasurable and the result was that I did not reduce my drinking to any extent. I drink like a fish anyway, so I'm pretty sure my GABA tolerance is high. For everyone else -- be careful.

Concerned about the combined GABA effects of alcohol, I actually took a stimulant in advance (ethylphenidate). I would say that this probably did help me retain most of my alertness throughout the night. I was also drinking caffeinated energy drinks and vodka as my main drink, for increased alertness and also because Chris has recommended an excellent synergy between caffeine and phenibut. I can confirm that this synergy is true. So this night consisted of a pretty heady drug cocktail which ticked all the right boxes for me.

The real anxiety-lifting effects took place at the first bar, around an hour after taking the phenibut. I don't experience much anxiety any more anyway, but with this stuff I got to experience an entire night of zero fear whatsoever. This stuff is the real deal. I'd not truly felt that way since the first MDMA trip. The other main noticeable effect of phenibut was that my speech became slurred -- especially as the alcohol level went up. I have not experienced slurred speech from alcohol for about 10 years, so this was really surprising. I did however retain my ability to be articulate in terms of vocabulary, so it's not like I lost my intelligence -- just enunciating words became a little bit harder. I managed to "patch" that at some point however by just trying a bit harder. The other major effect on thought and speech were that the "delay time" between thinking and speaking came right down. I remember remarking to my friend, who was not on the drug but knew that I was, that "it feels like the delay time between thought and speech is only like 0.01 second. It's like whatever I think, I just say. I'm really having to keep my eye on the ball to make sure I don't drop any clangers!" Luckily, my thoughts were so happy that entire night, that I did not feel inclined to say any bad words to anybody.

The primary social effects are decreased fear (of absolutely anything) -- down to practically zero. Further, it appears to reduce thought processes to such an extent that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be judgmental. I was introducing myself and talking merrily to people who usually I would have just thought things about such as, "Jesus, this guy is dumb..." It made me think that this is what alcohol on its own must be like for those "dumber" folk who seem to only need that drug to become socially uninhibited and have a great time. That always puzzled me, but now I might understand it a bit better. I found it very easy and pleasurable to talk to new people and made many new friends, including many women. I was approached several times by men and women throughout the night, and everyone loved me. Like I said, phenibut is the first serious contender to MDMA in the social respect.

After the night out, back at home, I was talking to people on Facebook. Everything took on a deeply philosophical and "content" context. Whenever anyone asked me a question, I felt I knew the answer on a deep emotional level, and that any words I used to describe what I was feeling would simply not do it justice. I remarked a couple of times to people that answering in words is like trying to draw a line around a cloud -- something that is inherently fuzzy and, when defined, loses a great deal of its meaning. I'm sure they thought I was quite nuts at that point. :D But I can only describe this experience as what I imagine "enlightenment" to look like. Explicate labelling and categorization (words) is an inherently left-brain trait. I felt that this experience must be what it's like to be living entirely in the right brain -- no division, just unity between all things. I decided to stay awake for a while and just enjoy this. I sent some very loving messages to people on Facebook. I expected to be embarrassed reading these back at a later time, but found that they were just pleasant and an honest reflection of my feelings at the time.

Finally, I smoked a cigarette and went weak at the knees. I nearly threw up, and that hardly ever happens to me any more. A similar thing had happened back at the last bar, towards the end of the night (which I took as my cue that I'd had enough and it was time to go home). So phenibut definitely makes the effects of cigarettes far stronger. This is actually pleasurable at the start of the night, but with too much alcohol thrown in on top, cigarettes become strongly nauseating. I waited until the nausea had ended and went to sleep. It was 6:30am by this time.

The hangover the next day was one of the worst I've ever experienced. I usually go out Friday and Saturday nights, but I felt so bad that I actually stayed in on Saturday. The feeling was not sick, nor depressed -- just tired. Like, really tired. I felt no desire whatsoever to redose on phenibut, which I might do on some drug hangovers to clear it up. Yet, I retained the delirious happiness I had experienced the entire night before, for the entire next day. I was just too tired to do anything with it. I was in bed by around 10pm.

The insane intensity of the next day's hangover has made me think that this drug should be a once-a-week-only thing -- preferably Saturday night, so I can still go out both nights. I also do not want to begin taking this that regularly, because I do not want to spoil it like I did with MDMA, tramadol, and practically every other drug I've (ab)used.

Phenibut is special. I want to keep it that way.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 01:38:09 PM by Illuminatus »

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 05:24:41 PM »
Do you think it's noticeable to other people that you're on something when you take Phenibut?

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 06:36:58 PM »
Do you think it's noticeable to other people that you're on something when you take Phenibut?

No, I don't think they noticed. But I actually told a few people I was on phenibut because I really didn't give a fuck.

People don't generally notice when I'm on drugs, because I've been doing them for so long that they don't overwhelm me. The only exception to that was when I took 5-MeO-DALT a few months ago -- it was so mind-warping, I was absolutely fucked. People mainly thought I was just a weirdo, though. It was a real Fear & Loathing-style trip.

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 10:53:25 PM »
How would you compare it to tramadol?

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 04:43:40 AM »
How would you compare it to tramadol?

Tramadol was an incredible drug for reducing fear in the early days. I would say fear was diminished potentially to 3/10. On phenibut, I would say fear is diminished potentially to 0/10.

The other aspects -- tolerance, habit formation, side effects -- need to be observed further. So far I'm believing that phenibut has a worse hangover but that tramadol is more habit-forming and causes more blatant withdrawals.

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 06:30:46 AM »
How quickly do you build up a tolerance for it? (I may have missed that in your op)


I may end up getting some of this.

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2013, 06:36:57 AM »
Also, how does it effect your sex drive?

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2013, 10:17:54 AM »
How quickly do you build up a tolerance for it? (I may have missed that in your op)

I've taken it twice now.

Last night (so 1 week after initial report) I took around half as much -- so let's say roughly 750mg. It still hit me like a ton of bricks. Insanely powerful, happy high. I wished I had not been lounging around in someone's house, but instead out partying. This high lasted at this intensity for around 1.5 - 2 hours. After that, the drop-off was pretty quick. I stayed in a good mood the right of the night, however, but not at the same floaty "enlightenment" I experienced last week.

I'm going to take 1.5g again tonight, and see whether the effects are as strong as last week. I hope they are, because it's my birthday night out. :D

This is literally my favourite drug of all time.

Also, how does it effect your sex drive?

Positively. This is a HUGE bonus over tramadol.

For all of tramadol's anxiety-busting properties, it does KILL your dick. You will find NO such problem on phenibut. In fact, I feel, if anything, that phenibut is pro-horny.

Truly a miracle drug.

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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2013, 11:27:53 AM »
Damn, phenibut really is the miracle drug. No joke. I am writing up a post of my nighttime adventures in Downtown San Diego. Just got back from it but I ventured downtown without using phenibut. To experience the nightlife solo without phenibut is a whole different animal. Phenibut will do so much for you like Illuminatus is talking about. No wonder it is so easy to proclaim phenibut as a miracle drug.

It's a miracle it even exists!!!

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2013, 12:40:03 PM »
I tried it yesterday. Took 900mg at 6 PM and came up within 45mins. Got some groceries and was almost euphoric, had to grin all the time, very happy to be around people at the supermarket, zero self-consciousness. Then I went to a friend's place for dinner, and we had a pretty philosophical conversation, as we usually do. I know exactly what Illuminatus means by "knowing the answer on a deep emotional level". Answers to questions come easily, from deep down, and for me surfaced as some pretty poetic shit, which isn't usually my style of expression. Also, I didn't verbalize thoughts in my head, except when I intended to say them out loud. Guess this must be right-hemisphere thinking. I can definitely see now how the constant interference by the left hemisphere in my usual thinking is "drawing lines around clouds" (beautiful metaphor, btw :) ). It takes away 90% of the depth and meaning of the original thought.

At 9 PM I took another 400mg and we headed to a party at a friend's place. There were around 12 to 15 people, which is above my sweet-spot of groups of four or five, and usually makes me get into my head a bit when I'm sober. Not at all with Phenibut. It's virtually impossible to "get into your head" without verbal thought. The effect on socializing is definitely comparable to MDMA in quality, though not quite in quantity. I should mention that I had three drinks and an energydrink at the party, which definitely enhanced the high a lot.

Around 1 AM we went to a club, where I couldn't enjoy myself at all, because the music was shit and the place was way too crowded. Phenibut didn't help with ignoring this as tons of alcohol would. My group insisted on staying there, so I went home.

Now on the next morning I still feel some nice relaxing effects. Had great dreams, too. So all in all, pretty amazing stuff. Maybe not for partying, but I'll have to try it at a good club before I can tell.

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2013, 04:24:03 PM »
Also: you guys had it with caffeine ?

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Re: Phenibut Review
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 04:22:04 PM »
Also: you guys had it with caffeine ?

Caffeine is included in my review. Mind-blowing.

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2013, 08:12:21 AM »
Hey Illuminatus, I just thought I'd drop by here to thank you for the great posts you made on SedFast about phenibut and muscle tension.  I think you're right about muscle tension.  Although I hadn't managed to articulate it that well, I feel like my suspicions have been moving in the same direction for a long time.

One thought I had, possibly useful, possibly not.  I recall various folks on ketogenic diets (less than 50 grams of carb per day) saying how amazingly calm and even-keeled they feel when they're in ketosis, especially once they've been doing it for a long time.  I know you said "Just think of the number of diets which are claimed are the `right' diet for example and you'll understand what I mean" over on SedFast, but I've seen a lot of evidence over the years that ketogenic diets really are healthy in a lot of ways.  When I have a little more time to do more cooking, I'm going to try it and see if it makes any difference for me in reducing muscle tension.

Also, my phenibut arrived yesterday.  It'll be a few more days before I can go out, but I'm looking forward to trying it.

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2013, 11:01:59 AM »
Hey Illuminatus, I just thought I'd drop by here to thank you for the great posts you made on SedFast about phenibut and muscle tension.  I think you're right about muscle tension.  Although I hadn't managed to articulate it that well, I feel like my suspicions have been moving in the same direction for a long time.

One thought I had, possibly useful, possibly not.  I recall various folks on ketogenic diets (less than 50 grams of carb per day) saying how amazingly calm and even-keeled they feel when they're in ketosis, especially once they've been doing it for a long time.  I know you said "Just think of the number of diets which are claimed are the `right' diet for example and you'll understand what I mean" over on SedFast, but I've seen a lot of evidence over the years that ketogenic diets really are healthy in a lot of ways.  When I have a little more time to do more cooking, I'm going to try it and see if it makes any difference for me in reducing muscle tension.

Also, my phenibut arrived yesterday.  It'll be a few more days before I can go out, but I'm looking forward to trying it.

Link to this post plZ?  :o

I have been on gaps diet (very ketogenic) for a week and not feeling any effects yet. I'm going to try phenibut tomorrow so I'll post back with a short review here as well and raise the hype even more and we can all be phenibut addicts within 3 months.

Illuminatus: Happy belated birthday   :)

Have you noticed any tolerance from the few times you have used it? How was your night out the last time you took it? You have only taken once a week right?
still favorite drug of all time?

Man my hopes are way up for this one, can't wait to try. I really want some substitute for alcohol. I hate drinking cuz my hangovers can last 2 days and I will feel completely destroyed, and reading how this actually has a nice "hangover" makes me think this is the best thing ever.

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