Sleep Tech (Beta)

There are two processes many humans don’t seem to do any more. The first is “conscious sleep” (a.k.a. meditation) wherein the mind is allowed to wind down in its own process without conscious control or direction of thoughts.

The second is the correct induction of NREM sleep, or “unconscious sleep”.

Omission of these two processes, especially the first, is likely responsible for most mental health problems in the world.

1. Pre-sleep

The “Do Nothing” meditation for the induction of “conscious sleep”:

  1. Sit on chair, feet flat on floor.
  2. Place hands on lap like this:
  3. Close eyes.
  4. Aim to stay very still. However, if you need to adjust your posture from time to time you can.
  5. “Do Nothing”. Allow your mind to wander wherever it wants. Allow as much verbal dialogue as your mind wants. Also, if it wants to settle at some points, let it do that. If it comes back online, let it be online. There is no attempt to control the mind at all, but the body does stay still.

That’s it. After 30–40 minutes the verbal mind will burn itself out and give way to a state of peace. This state can feel extremely nice, in which case you will probably want to stay in it awhile. It may take longer. How long it takes however is not important since the time is going to pass anyway.

Often the verbal mind will stop earlier into the meditation (even as soon as 5–10 minutes in) for short windows, which are very nice, but it will tend to turn back on quite quickly. Just let it play out exactly as it wants – it is all part of the process.

During these quiet windows you will likely find that your eyes are looking at a space between your eyebrows and you become more aware of your breathing. These are good signs. However, you do not need to become concerned with these; just enjoy them when they happen.

This meditation works because, when sitting still with eyes closed, the mind’s natural tendency is to unravel itself to a state of peace. This is a natural process and it just needs to be given the time in which to do it.

2. Sleep

The correct inductions for unconscious sleep.

Induction 1

  1. Lie in whatever position you are most comfortable in.
  2. Stay completely still.
  3. Gently look towards the spot just above your top lip (the red dot on this diagram):

    Keep light awareness on this spot.
  4. This may cause your breathing to pause. Stay with the pause, maintaining awareness on the spot. Eventually, after several seconds, breathing will restart suddenly by itself, often with an audible “snore”. Breathing will tend to become very deep at this point and can quickly pull you down into unconsciousness.
  5. If the process gets broken for whatever reason, just bring awareness back to this spot again and wait.

You don’t have to “try to relax” or anything directed. Just look at the spot and things begin to take care of themselves.

If you get things happening like sudden body tremors or kicks, these are completely normal. Proper rest has many functions, one of which is the release of body tension. Go with the tremors for a while if you feel your body needs them. Then bring awareness back to the spot. Eventually unconsciousness will happen. If you wake up and want to go back to sleep, just bring awareness back to the spot.

Induction 2

  1. Throw the pillow on the floor. It will not be used.
  2. Lie flat on your back in bed.
  3. Let your neck really go. Imagine that it is just kind of falling into the bed under its own weight.
  4. This will likely cause your head to sway to one direction (due to more myofascial tension being present on that side of the neck, but don’t worry about that — good sleep helps correct this over time). Your head might even make little figure-of-eight motions before finally settling down, or turn to the side. Just let your head arrive at whatever position it wants to.
  5. Now check your legs. If one leg wants to be drawn up slightly, or turned a little, do that. Just make your legs very basically comfortable, without over-thinking it.
  6. Now check your arms and do the same. Some good default arm positions are as follows:
    1. Arms by sides. Wrists are loose. Hands open or closed — choose whichever is comfortable.
    2. Hands underneath head. Fingers interlocked, or one hand below the other — choose whichever is comfortable.
    3. Hands resting on shoulders. Hands gently cup the shoulders, or rest as loose fists — choose whichever is comfortable.
    4. Hands level with head, resting on the bed (hands closed or open — whichever is comfortable).
    5. Hands resting loosely on hips.

    In any of these positions the arms can be asymmetrical — just follow whatever feels comfortable.

  7. Close your eyes.
  8. Just let your mouth go kind of loose. Let it be open or shut however it likes. Let it go loose, and see what it wants to do.

For me, this final point triggers what I’m calling “snore breathing”, and I drift off into unconsciousness very rapidly. However, you can just lie there like that and think about whatever you like. You don’t need to “try” to go to sleep — the position itself begins that process automatically and you will fall asleep soon enough.

There is a very distinct breathing pattern for sleep which I only noticed myself doing after making these kinds of conscious comfort adjustments, following my body’s needs carefully as I instructed above. This breathing pattern is the one associated with snoring, though many people do not actually make overt snoring sounds while breathing in this way. (As a side note, I believe that the snoring sound itself is conditioned by pillow use, with pillows misaligning the airway and not allowing smooth fascia release into the throat and nose.)

For me, the breathing pattern sounds more like a light “Hccchhhhhhhh…” breath in followed by a gentle throat whistle “…cccchhhhhhh” out. In any case, the “snore breathing” pattern, whether you make audible sounds or not, is the correct breathing pattern for restorative sleep. If you hear yourself breathing like this in the moments before you drift off, you are certainly doing the sleep induction correctly.

I have a fairly robust model linking the processes of sleep with myofascial release. This includes REM, snore-breathing, and the preferential sleeping positions the body will choose if you tune into its needs like in the above induction. The model also includes pre- and post-sleep actions like yawning. I will have to write it up soon, to plant my flag in it if nothing else. However, the important things are the techs which keep coming from that model.

Mailbag

I gave the “Pre-sleep” and “Induction 1” techs to an insomniac student of mine to see if it helped him. Here is our exchange.

KT wrote:

I tried this before going to bed last night. I stayed with the meditation for 25 minutes. Somewhere in the middle, I had that familiar sensation I’ve had during good meditation sessions, where my eyes become extremely focused on a spot slightly up between my eyes. The mind became very focused for maybe 15-30 seconds. Most of the time, however, a huge volume of thoughts were swirling so fast that I couldn’t even read their contents! It was absolute chaos in there! I had to stop before the thoughts had finished, because I was already very late for bed.

It’s funny that you mention focusing above the lip rather than below the nose, because that’s what I automatically switched to after trying technique #2 for the first time. I haven’t had much success with it, however, as my concentration skills are really poor right now. Putting gentle awareness on the spot is really difficult for me, as I stray within a couple seconds.

Going to bed before finishing the ‘do nothing’ meditation may not have been the best idea. After going partly unconscious, the thoughts started up again with the same ferocity as before. I was taken through a roller coaster of sharp thoughts while half conscious, eventually triggering sleep paralysis with nightmarish high pitched noises. Fortunately, I’ve gone through this often enough that I faced it head on and let it play out. Fell asleep after this and woke up in the morning feeling my usual self – well rested in part, but definitely missing some deeper piece of sleep.

I tried the meditation again while lying in bed in the middle of the day. I hoped it would lead to a much needed refreshing nap. I didn’t do this with the intention of napping and waking up refreshed. I feel this is very important, because it leads to anxiety, like how you described anticipating pleasure while doing the no-effort meditation. Without any intention to fall asleep, I faded into a short nap that was actually refreshing! Usually this only happens when I’m so physically and mentally exhausted that the thoughts cannot arise with any sharpness. I hope I can repeat this, but to not grasp for the refreshing sleep can be a tricky thing when done regularly.

About the digestive issues: I realized I had significant gut health problems when I gained enough awareness to see that my stomach was tense and in discomfort almost all the time, especially after a bad sleep. My stomach has also been distended for the last few years, far beyond normal. I tried cutting out all meat and about half my usual calories to simplify digestion. Then I started following a gut health and detox protocol involving a mix of many different supplements taken regularly through the day. After doing this for the last 2-3 months, I have much less stomach discomfort and don’t feel quite as awful waking up in the morning. But still, it’s clear there is a big hump I need to pass before feeling normal. This is the hump I hope the meditation can conquer.

Thanks for the feedback. I take these all as positive things because they have given you some serious baseline data.

I tried this before going to bed last night. I stayed with the meditation for 25 minutes. Somewhere in the middle, I had that familiar sensation I’ve had during good meditation sessions, where my eyes become extremely focused on a spot slightly up between my eyes. The mind became very focused for maybe 15-30 seconds. Most of the time, however, a huge volume of thoughts were swirling so fast that I couldn’t even read their contents! It was absolute chaos in there! I had to stop before the thoughts had finished, because I was already very late for bed.

Rather than “focused”, try for “settled” instead. So, the mind settles to that point between the eyebrows (this is actually the third eye, which seems to be the mind’s natural resting point when it unravels).

At the same time, don’t TRY for this. The whole purpose of the Do Nothing meditation is that intention is dropped throughout. You don’t try to settle the mind; the mind wants to settle. You relinquish control entirely to a natural process of mental unravelling.

The racing thoughts indicate a few possibilities. The first is that this is a process that needs to finish. You don’t NEED to read their contents. In fact, intention to focus or draw meaning from thoughts is dropped in the Do Nothing meditation. Think of it as a kind of dreaming: the mind is emptying its “buffer”. It’s like a data dump. Some of the content can be insightful but the process is more important. Have faith that the mind is doing what it needs to do. This will mean starting the meditation much earlier and giving it more time to complete. It’s complete when the eyes settle on the third eye area and thoughts have wound down to virtually nothing. Typically the time taken will decrease vastly after the first few days’ sessions. So, if it needs 2 hours for the first dump, the next day it might only take 40 minutes, then 30 minutes etc. And life events or stressful interactions in the day will tend to add time to this, and this is completely normal. It is this need for a data dump that has been keeping you awake until now.

The second thing is related to the health of the body. You are probably onto something with the digestive issue. What happens is, if the body is distressed, it creates these generalized “hot” signals which the thinking mind flies to interpret in some actionable way. I am fairly convinced that many people’s erratic thoughts actually have their source in the body, incorrect diet being a strong contender. The meditation however will calm those signals in the body which in turn settles the mind. Mind and body are one in so many ways.

My advice for when mind and body are particularly “hot” like this is to bring attention to the stillness of the body. The hands are the best place to start, since they usually want to move to turn those body signals into directed action. So bring awareness to the stillness of the hands. This tends to generate a “stillness wave” which passes up into the rest of the body. The intention to Do Nothing with the hands is a powerful stillness signal. When thoughts race, bring awareness to the stillness of the hands.

It’s funny that you mention focusing above the lip rather than below the nose, because that’s what I automatically switched to after trying technique #2 for the first time. I haven’t had much success with it, however, as my concentration skills are really poor right now. Putting gentle awareness on the spot is really difficult for me, as I stray within a couple seconds.

Strong concentration on the top lip spot is not required. (In fact, that’s the opposite of what we’re trying to achieve.) You are allowed to think. It is the stillness of the body that will take you off to sleep. This is the most important signal you give yourself when going to sleep. Like with the Do Nothing meditation, it is the body stillness that induces the various rest processes. The top lip spot is just a place I have found that induces sleep rapidly if you need a place to return to.

Going to bed before finishing the ‘do nothing’ meditation may not have been the best idea. After going partly unconscious, the thoughts started up again with the same ferocity as before. I was taken through a roller coaster of sharp thoughts while half conscious, eventually triggering sleep paralysis with nightmarish high pitched noises. Fortunately, I’ve gone through this often enough that I faced it head on and let it play out. Fell asleep after this and woke up in the morning feeling my usual self – well rested in part, but definitely missing some deeper piece of sleep.

I think if you extend the time of the waking meditation then this thought buffer will be more empty and this won’t happen.

I tried the meditation again while lying in bed in the middle of the day. I hoped it would lead to a much needed refreshing nap. I didn’t do this with the intention of napping and waking up refreshed. I feel this is very important, because it leads to anxiety, like how you described anticipating pleasure while doing the no-effort meditation. Without any intention to fall asleep, I faded into a short nap that was actually refreshing! Usually this only happens when I’m so physically and mentally exhausted that the thoughts cannot arise with any sharpness. I hope I can repeat this, but to not grasp for the refreshing sleep can be a tricky thing when done regularly.

I personally get the most refreshing sleep around 7am–10am in the daylight. I believe this is an evolutionary thing for certain human subtypes. I’ve also noticed a tendency to wake up in the night and want to reflect on dreams or thoughts. Did you know the 8-hour single-chunk sleep is a relatively new cultural construct? In writings from history authors have constantly referred to a “first” and “second sleep”. The first tended towards dreams. They would then spend a couple of hours or so awake reflecting over those dreams and other thoughts before heading back down for their second sleep (which was probably the “refreshing” sleep phase). Here is the article where I first read about this.

I’m not necessarily advising that sleep pattern; I’m just bringing attention to how natural rhythms can deviate sharply from cultural prescriptions.

I prefer what the Buddhists say: Eat when you’re hungry, sleep when you’re tired.

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33 Responses

  1. BabaFella says:

    “3.Gently look towards the spot just above your top lip (the red dot on this diagram):”

    Do you literally mean look such as how your eyes move to the third eye during meditation, but then just downwards, or do you mean placing mental awareness on the upper lip

    “There is a very distinct breathing pattern for sleep which I only noticed myself doing after making these kinds of conscious comfort adjustments, following my body’s needs carefully as I instructed above. This breathing pattern is the one associated with snoring, though many people do not actually make overt snoring sounds while breathing in this way. (As a side note, I believe that the snoring sound itself is conditioned by pillow use, with pillows misaligning the airway and not allowing smooth fascia release into the throat and nose.)”

    I once read somewhere that your breathing naturally turns into an ujjayi breath during sleep; is that the type of breathing that you mean?

    • Illuminatus says:

      “Do you literally mean look such as how your eyes move to the third eye during meditation, but then just downwards, or do you mean placing mental awareness on the upper lip”

      Literally look at the upper lip with your eyes. If you look at babies asleep they appear to be looking at this spot. 🙂

      “I once read somewhere that your breathing naturally turns into an ujjayi breath during sleep; is that the type of breathing that you mean?”

      There are conflicting videos on YouTube (some with mouth open, some with mouth closed etc.) so can you please find one with traditional method so I can check?

      But from what I am seeing, YES, the principle is the same as snore-breathing.

      This type of breathing will DIRECTLY perform myofascial restructuring (a more accurate term than “release” since what goes on is more complex than “release techniques” let on). My model covers everything that goes on, and I will release it hopefully soon, along with the techs (all free). Many of the techs will be very similar to things from yoga, because yoga uses many of the body’s own fascia restructuring/release principles. I am reinventing the wheel in many respects but it was important for me to know WHY, and knowing why has led to me joining dots from many areas previously thought of as separate (and has spawned my own techs, which I believe are more optimized forms of what is already out there). Overall I am very, very glad to have finally been able to suss it all out.

      • BabaFella says:

        “My model covers everything that goes on, and I will release it hopefully soon, along with the techs (all free). Many of the techs will be very similar to things from yoga, because yoga uses many of the body’s own fascia restructuring/release principles. ”

        Really happy about this because I’m very interested in how the physical integrity of our body can influence meditation. I have been practising asanas an 1-2 hours everyday now since it was recommended by Nadayogi on the ‘Posture: Inflation Tech (Beta)’ post. This is my third week of practising now and the benefits have been great, my posture is better, I feel better, I have more energy, and it really prepares the body for quality pranayama practice, for which I have started doing preliminary exercises.

        I am taking more of a traditional yogic asana -> pranayama -> meditation approach now because I haven’t had a lot of success in entering absorptions with Buddhist mindfulness/jhana meditation. This could be because of mental, pranic or physical disturbances, neurotic breathing patterns, bad posture, myofascial problems (which is an aspect I have only come to consider after reading your blog) and other negative conditioning. I’ve also mostly been a kind of low-energy guy throughout my life. So I reckoned that I first have to resolve these issues and let the meditation aspect rest for a while, with which I have developed an unhealthy relationship, because on the one hand I would meditate in a very goal-oriented manner and at the same time these aforementioned would not allow me to get the results I always wanted, which can be very frustrating. (Also it’s funny how you have mentioned Sadhguru’s meditation and Do Nothing meditation, which are perfect non-goal oriented alternatives (for now).)

        So I’m writing all of this, partly for restructuring my own thoughts, but also because I really want to thank you for providing all of this invaluable information. I believe it will help in figuring out why serious results have been lacking. I’m especially curious about how your tech relates to traditional asana poses experientially , and how these can be used in conjunction with your fascia restructuring techniques, even while doing the poses.

        Regarding ujjayi, this was the basic type I was talking about, but where the epiglottis are also closed during inhalation in contrast with this excerpt taken from lessen 41 of aypsite.org:
        “In a week or so, or whenever you are feeling steady with the ten minutes of pranayama before your meditation, add the following features: On the exhalations, allow your epiglottis to close enough so that there is a small restriction of the air leaving your lungs. The epiglottis is the door in your throat that automatically closes your windpipe (trachea) when you hold your breath or swallow. By partially closing it as you exhale, a fine hissing sound will occur in your throat. This is called “ujjayi.” Be easy about it. Don’t strain. Keep the slow, deep rhythm of breathing you have become accustomed to as you add this small restriction in the throat during exhalations. On the inhalations, allow the throat to relax and open more than usual. Do not restrict the air coming in. Rather, allow the deepest part of your throat to open wide, comfortably. Do not change the slow, deep rhythm of breathing you have been doing. Keep your mouth closed during pranayama. An exception would be if your nose is stopped up and you can’t breath easily through it. In that case, use your mouth.”

        This difference is that when you totally relax your neck and throat muscles when lying down that it will not only cause narrowing of the epiglottis but the passage to the naval cavity from the pharynx also seems to restrict which causes snore-breathing.

        • Illuminatus says:

          I will give away a MAJOR part of my tech, now, since you are basically onto it with ujjayi.

          Note: The ONLY reason I have held back before now is that the face I am about to recommend can cause so much myofascial restructuring in such a short space of time that it can actually leave one’s body quite inflamed, with heat radiating from the skin. This also leads to a drained energy state. These symptoms all pass after a day or so. And they only tend to arise after doing this for a long time, e.g. a couple of hours or more.

          So, I call this face Stretch Face. It is a superior to Andy Hutchinson’s “kiss” face and is effectively a complete replacement for it.

          1) Put lips together, and keep them together.
          2) Open your mouth, exactly like you would normally open your mouth, EXCEPT YOU KEEP YOUR LIPS TOGETHER. So this is effectively opening the jaw into a large O but the lips stay together.
          3) The eyebrows should naturally have raised somewhat, the eyes become wide, ears lifted and inner ear opened. Nostrils also flare.

          This face stretches every myofascial sheet in the whole body, since they all converge and wrap around the head. (Google Image Search “myofascial meridians” to see these sheets — they literally all join at the head/neck.) Putting this line of tension into each sheet is what allows them to peel away/ unwind from the nerves within the body to which they are currently bound (and any nerve can bind to any other nerve provided a sheet of fascia connects them — e.g. ankle to neck, etc.). It is like putting tension into a piece of sticky tape so it can peel away from a surface.

          This face also activates every sympathetic nerve in the face/head/neck. This is what makes it superior to the kiss face. This is the other part of the puzzle: all the myofascial sheets wrap onto nerves in the face/head/neck. Firing these nerves, while introducing tension from the stretch, releases fascia from these nerves WHICH RELEASES IT INTO THE BODY. The whole body can be fixed from the HEAD. This is the purpose of a yawn. This face takes the primary principles of a yawn and holds it so it can do its works continuously (hence inflammation, despite your putting practically NO effort into exercises etc.) Some phases of release will in fact cause the mouth to open as though it is completing a yawn.

          Anyway, try making this face while doing your yoga asanas. Also, a subtler form of the face can be adopted while walking and working without you looking too crazy, meaning you can do it practically all day.

          ONCE AGAIN: The reason I have held this info back is that prolonged usage of this face DOES cause inflammation. I don’t want people diving in before I write up the complete guide in which I will advise more specific ways to use it and when to take time off from it etc. You use this at your own risk!

          I will also add that the Stretch Face is not done particularly hard; nothing is forced. Opening the jaw even slightly while keeping the lips together will cause tangible release in parts of the body — limbs, torso, anywhere really.

          Another point I forgot: If you tilt your head right back while doing Stretch Face then you ALMOST get the kiss face. This is in fact how the kiss face should be done, and was perhaps the intention of the original creator of the kiss face; I don’t know. But it is ALMOST a pout, not a full pout. It is on the EDGE of becoming a pout, but not going over that edge.

          And you can do all the regular movements — gently pushing elbows back, sticking leg and stretching it, stretching arms in the air with fists slowly, and all that other stuff — that you see people instinctively doing when they yawn. With Stretch Face this actually causes tangible release.

          The specific part for each individual is then about finding which angles their long-term-conditioned “lines” run at, from their neck down to their legs. This is all caused by sleep position. You find a line, put head at specific angle to line up the neck with that line, then do Stretch Face and hold there for several minutes and it releases a whole ton of that line.

          Try at your own risk.

          • Illuminatus says:

            I also wanted to add: You simply cannot overestimate how long this takes. Even with perfect technique, correcting all these lines takes absolutely ages. Think in months at this point.

          • BabaFella says:

            Sound very promising, I will try it for a couple of days and then report back

          • Illuminatus says:

            JUST MADE A MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH.

            “Yawn” is a two-step process:

            1) Make Stretch Face and SQUEEZE body areas — e.g. squeeze fists hard; “open” knees; squeeze buttocks. This will make a rushing noise in ears and cause the eyes to scrunch.
            – Simultaneously, try to “open the mouth” while keeping lips together — so this will actually open the inner ears up.

            2) Notice how this squeeze, EVERY TIME WITHOUT FAIL, reaches a “stop point” where it doesn’t want to squeeze any more. At this point, begin opening the mouth for real. There is now no “rushing sound” in the ears and you should feel a kind of global “flowing unwinding” inside. Opening the mouth at this point will cause limbs to move e.g. arms will rise up as jaw opens; let things move with the jaw opening in this way.
            – During this time (after a stop point) you can extend limbs and the internal unwind will continue and things will become noticeably looser.
            – By the time the jaw has finished opening the head will be right back. At this point pull the tongue downward, into the body, vertically down the spine. This will close the mouth. It will look like the cat here (turn speakers off): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_fbsa77ejA

            I CALL THIS PROCESS “TWO-STEP YAWNING”.

            • EH says:

              Awesome blog!

              The rushing or rumbling sound is made by the tensor timpani muscle which is connected to the eardrum. WP claims voluntary control is rare, but it seems to be common. It’s also useful for opening the eustachian tubes to equalize pressure across the eardrum.

              *
              Ever since I first meditated at 12, nearly every time my vision turns bright emerald green as if I were wearing colored glasses. Never any other color, never any shapes or movements, everything is just green. It’s not an afterimage of the blood in my eyelids – that’s cyan. It also lasts as long as I stay in at least moderately deep meditation. All the magical filing systems of correspondences seem to attribute different meanings to the colors – Westerners often associate green with healing, growth but also Venus, Indians the heart chakra and the Tibetans’ Green Tara is the bodhisattva of enlightened activity and freedom from fear. Any thoughts about why I see green and what it might mean?

              • Illuminatus says:

                Hi EH,

                I have had the green fill before but it never lasted that long; usually several seconds and once, maybe, a full minute. I have also had rich blue fills arising spontaneously, and occasionally purple.

                – What style of meditation are you practising?
                – How stable is the green colour?
                – Are there any emotional qualities connected with the switch to green?

                Regarding how to move forward, this is where free will comes in: free will is the ability to assign meaning and thus redefine relationships (the universe is relationship-based as its prime function, not object-based; failure to recognize this is the downfall of ALL physicists).

                You have many options. Personally I would proceed as follows. I would use the green fill as an object in concentration meditation to attain samadhi, and follow Patanjali’s system (Yoga Sutras; use this site: http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras.htm) to explore the object in finer and finer states of samadhi to attain full enlightenment.

                I would choose to view the green fill as some sort of “blessing” or karmic momentum helping my service to humanity. I would explore the various superstitions and follow the ones that appealed to me the most (and I tend towards Indian/chakra systems and philosophies). I would find a teacher and hopefully a community that dealt specifically with these colour fills and get guidance on how to move forward (though I don’t know where I would find one; you’ll have to ask around on other meditation/yoga boards).

                —————

                Can I ask how you found my blog, please?

                I looked at your blog; it’s pretty intense. What’s the general goal/purpose behind it?

                My forthcoming article on the true nature of the universe might give you some ideas for your work. Or you might decide it’s junk. 🙂

                • EH says:

                  “What style of meditation are you practising?”
                  I have done various styles, originally just progressive relaxation, visualization and self-hypnosis lying down, using exercises from “The Centering Book”. Starting at one end of the body, tense then relax the muscles in each region three or more times with progressively less tension, the last tension being barely perceptible. Another one from that book was to visualize lying on a pad floating on a lake on a beautiful warm day, with the water barely rippling only as thoughts occur, with the water becoming completely still, with only the uniform sparking of the littlest waves, which are your perceptions of them. Then imagine closing your eyes for a few seconds and then imagine opening them again for a moment or two whenever there is the sensation of a ripple passing underneath. (digression: Perhaps one can also imagine opening one’s eyes while they are already open? I imagine it might feel like being knurd, the opposite of drunk, or what I call it a “presence seizure”, everything super-sharp and color saturated. Oxytocin (metabolized from the supplement phenethylamine, or just hummus) had this effect, but it isn’t really safe long-term since you need an MAOI such as selegiline or it is gone in minutes.) These meditations are the most consistent in producing the green color. I also frequently get it in Quaker silent meetings.

                  Later I tried Soto Zen meditation, which is pretty much a vanilla no-thought but rigorous and uncomfortable posture meditation, the only direct instruction I’ve had. I find that lying down I’m not distracted by maintaining posture and can concentrate on breathing. Formal Zen meditation sometimes produces green vision, but not as often.

                  Sometimes I concentrate on the breath rather than the breathing and this has more possibilities, like Franz Bardon’s “pore breathing” of various energies which leads into energy visualizations in general. (Though “energy” is only the most common analogy for the stuffs or concepts or mindspace vectors or whatever.) I have done the OTO LBRP many times, and also often a streamlined, energy-only version of the Circulation of the Body of Light. ( Which I came in to contact with via searching out the references in RAW’s Illuminatus! and other works.) For some reason these don’t produce the same green vision effect.

                  Your meditation focusing on the breath flowing behind the bridge of the nose is a good one – doing it, I feel some pleasure over my whole body, but it is somewhat subtle. I haven’t noticed a green color yet, but that may be because I haven’t gotten deep enough into it or because keeping my attention in that form isn’t yet automatic.

                  How stable is the green colour?
                  If I stay in the meditation, up to 30 seconds of really vivid and fading to imperceptible over a minute or three, but if I come out of meditation it fades in a few seconds. Mostly, though, if I’m going to stay in meditation I keep my eyes closed and I’d only open my eyes to examine the color, which then limits the depth of the meditation, so the color fades as it turns from mere perception to object of consciousness. Staying in the state of consciousness more-or-less without object is easier without a bunch of objects in my field of vision.

                  Are there any emotional qualities connected with the switch to green?
                  Almost the opposite, I’m very detached, calm, totally relaxed, not wanting or doing or thinking or relating.

                  Thanks for your recommendations. I’ll look at Patanjali. The classics are generally so for a reason. The Yogic View of Consciousness by Don DeGracia, which is based on Patanjali I found very helpful, particularly chapter two on the bindu and gunas. I’m not sure I can use the green as an object in meditation, perhaps with ganzfield half- ping-pong balls over my eyes and sticking to dispassionately perceiving it rather than examining it.

                  Thanks!

                  • Illuminatus says:

                    Rather than “detached” I would aim to become engaged with the relationship known as “green”. Tune into “green”. Aim to stabilize it as a continuous flowing experience of “green”. This will provide the one-pointedness through which the nature of the universe can be directly perceived. (I can’t really explain the “how”, though Patanjali makes a gallant effort. But if you do this practice such insight will tend to spontaneously reveal itself.) Regarding covering the eyes, I bought a black sleeping mask for a similar purpose (light/flame afterimage kasina meditation) and it has the half ping-pong balls built into it. Ideally though you would become so well practised at “green” that you could induce it as an object at will in any circumstances.

                    “Then imagine closing your eyes for a few seconds and then imagine opening them again for a moment or two whenever there is the sensation of a ripple passing underneath. (digression: Perhaps one can also imagine opening one’s eyes while they are already open?”

                    You can do this and this is an example of using nerves intentionally for various purposes, which falls into energy/kundalini work. For example, right now, send the signal to smile without actually moving the muscles. You should feel awareness quickly expanding outwards and a happy, receptive feeling taking over. Meditation itself co-opts various preferential nerve firings in this way. With my extensive experience of body-scanning and kundalini work I can fire many nerves in my body at will provided I know where they are. An accidental firing of some central nerve was responsible for my astounding kundalini experience written up here: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/mailbag-musings-on-concentration-kundalini-magick-socializing-public-meditation-and-the-off-world-jhanas/

              • Illuminatus says:

                I just read http://mindsbasis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/a-first-approximation-to-mindspace.html

                Very good! Very “synchronicitous” that you came along with a model very similar to the one I will be writing up soon. I go further than you on some points though (into simplicity rather than complexity) which results in a perhaps different interpretation of what “God” is.

                How much of what you talk about on your blog is discussed/entertained in mainstream science? E.g. photons as interactions. I got to there from a True Self awakening from meditation: “Everything is relationships. Objects are implied by relationships, not the other way around.” etc. If you stay in “relationship space” for a bit longer in your mind rather than drawing back into “object space” to make your model then you might find something amazing happens.

                • EH says:

                  Sorry for the delay. I found your blog via a link on this Dimensional Jumping subreddit post.

                  I published my blog because I had several essays lying around that summed up many years of trying to get a handle on what is going on, how things work and what can be done with it, and I had seen hardly anything that tried to combine science and esoteric philosophy using the concept of mindspace or that looked at the implications of the close relation of information, probability, knowability and thermodynamics.

                  “How much of what you talk about on your blog is discussed/entertained in mainstream science? E.g. photons as interactions. “
                  I’ve tried to make it as scientifically supported as possible – I think the assumptions are not too controversial. The idea that particles are an illusion and that everything is really relationships mediated by waves is widely accepted and is the basis of Feynman diagrams which are the main tool in Quantum Electrodynamics and Chromodynamics, the accepted theories of physics in general (aside from General Relativity). The “gauge particles” (photons and gluons) which mediate interactions and physical forces are all really waves which move at the speed of light, so experience no duration between emission and absorption, even though photons may travel billions of light years. [snip math: the Pythagorean theorem when one of the dimensions, t, has negative square means zero 4D distance between an event and any point on its light-cone]

                  The math requires not just a wave moving outward from the emitter, but also a reversed wave simultaneously going from the absorber out to the emitter, (but travelling backward in time, which I think also makes it look like it’s also going from emitter to absorber). (this is Cramer’s Transactional Interpretation, but the math is the same as all QM) The two waves allow a resonant interaction, a positive feedback loop that goes “bang”, transferring the energy and so forth in a way that gives the appearance of a particle interaction. (Carver Mead’s “Collective Electrodynamics” is quite readable on this if you skip most of the math. Despite a long reputation as the greatest man in microelectronics, having working closely with Feynman and being absolutely clear in his presentation, Mead’s conception of QM as being a resonant and particle-free has been ignored by nearly all physicists, I think likely because it is too understandable.) Considering everything as relationships also appears elsewhere in physics – mathematical relations (all of it), geometric relations (esp. Geometric Algebra a.k.a. Clifford Algebra, my favorite), topological relations (spin networks, I believe – a competitor to strings), but most directly in Mach’s principle, which inspired General Relativity:

                  “You are standing in a field looking at the stars. Your arms are resting freely at your side, and you see that the distant stars are not moving. Now start spinning. The stars are whirling around you and your arms are pulled away from your body. Why should your arms be pulled away when the stars are whirling? Why should they be dangling freely when the stars don’t move?”

                  Mach’s principle says that this is not a coincidence—that there is a physical law that relates the motion of the distant stars to the local inertial frame. If you see all the stars whirling around you, Mach suggests that there is some physical law which would make it so you would feel a centrifugal force.

                  (WP)

                  Your upcoming big TOE article is sure to be a real feat, I’m looking forward to it. I’m looking forward to your article on the jhanas, as well. (A telegraphic list of the traditional attributes of each jhana on the “jhana” entry in the glossary would be helpful, too.)

                  “Everything is relationships. Objects are implied by relationships, not the other way around.”
                  Your awakening reminds me of a realization I had as a child that all forms are bounded by empty space, and a form could come implemented in various materials, so a form itself is defined by the specific shape of the emptiness around it, an emptiness that can implicitly hold all forms. Later I came to see that there is also a complementary emptiness inside the form, the two solid emptinesses separated by an emptiness that is even less, and not only can emptiness hold all forms but all forms exist in any part of emptiness, so space is a plenum chock full of literally every sort of nothing.

                  “If you stay in “relationship space” for a bit longer in your mind rather than drawing back into “object space” to make your model then you might find something amazing happens.”
                  Do you mean “relationship space” as the mindspace I wrote about in the essay? I don’t remember ordinary dreams more than once every few years, but I often have a dim sense of the tail ends of the non-ordinary “dreams” which are almost completely abstract, without sight or sound or people or objects, only a sort of mental kinesthetic sense as if my mind were rapidly and purposefully assuming shapes and postures in mindspace, stretching toward what, I do not remember but performing some sort of important work in shaping(?) something.

                  Writing this sparked a thought: there are a number of different space-pairs like frequency- and time-spaces in which a view in one space can not only be converted to the other (e.g. Fourier transform, rather like rotating time 90 degrees into frequency) but there there is also a continuum of intermediate spaces similar to rotating by smaller angles. If the mental plane maps to mindspace and the physical plane to “object space”, the sort of space physicists use, then those intermediate transformations between the two could map to the astral plane(s).

                  • Illuminatus says:

                    Thanks for your response. You have helped inspire me to work with scientists rather than against them. After all, we’re all trying to reach the same goal, fundamentally. It was a bee in my bonnet I’ve needed to get out for some time anyway.

                    I’ll jot down some of the main points of my reality model now, because I don’t know when I’ll be writing it.

                    – The purpose of existence is to experience relationships — nothing more, nothing less.

                    – The universe splits into multiple vantage points (“VPs”) through which to look in on itself.

                    – Perception from any VP creates the subject-object split from the perspective of that VP (“this side” and “that side”). This split is entirely responsible for the creation of the perception of both time and space. Time and space ONLY arise as a relationship of one VP to an “other”. Time and space are fundamentally illusory — we never left that single point. We just create time and space by looking in on ourself from various VPs.

                    – The simplest relationships give rise to the fundamental particles — “up/down”, “positive/negative”, “away/towards” etc. These particles don’t exist as actual objects, because nothing does. These are all just relationships between VPs. Yes, I am suggesting that even something like a photon has a perception, a vantage point, a “view port”.

                    – The universe tends toward creating ever more complex relationships to experience. There is a to-and-fro between “will” within each VP (a desire to move to a new state of experience) and “causality” (allowing, or going with the flow of, what already is). Dark energy and dark matter are used to explain the effects on the visible universe which are not able to be accounted for via regular “A -> B” causality. I think these effects however may just be WILL. Therefore dark energy and dark matter don’t exist; they are an error due to the calculation failing to take into account will/intention inherent within the relationships between vantage points that are thought of as actual objects. However I don’t know enough about those things to say any more at this point. The effect of will means that the final universe “equation” cannot ever be solved because it is always changing and the will of the person doing the calculation literally affects the thing he is trying to calculate because he is an inseparable part of that thing.

                    – VPs can “coalesce” to form a kind of “master VP”. So each cell in your body has its own vantage point and together they look out through the master VP you call yourself (and you get to No-Self by realizing your VP is a completely transient product of all the things going on. You get to True Self by identifying with the view port itself rather than the things going on).
                    As the universe, you can drop back or rise up to different levels of vantage point. So you can tune into the VP of your “country” (nationalism) or your tribe. Or you can VP as the Sun, or Mars, and tune into the energies of that VP, and this is the basis of any devotional absorption or god-worship. “Christ Consciousness” involves “becoming” the VP of that archetype. You can take ketamine and expand (or is it contract?) your VP to become the VP of the whole universe at once (which is STARTLINGLY lonely, having done it many times, and contributed to my idea that the universe at its core principle wishes to experience relationships — though I have a strong suspicion I am applying human needs to my experience there).

                    – The substrate of the universe is will, and the will is to experience new combinations of relationships. “God”, the universe, is the combined will of all vantage points. Your will directly contributes to the will of the universe. There is no separateness and no one or no thing goes unheard when it comes to will. There is no separate God who hears your prayers — your will is the will of the universe. You are it. The strength of your will to experience some relationship determines if it will happen.

                    – Certain practices, namely one-pointedness (attained through meditation or ecstatic emotional states) contract the whole universe down to a single point giving the VP that induced the contraction far more will/ intentional power than ordinarily allocated to it. Hence, magick.

                    – Emotional states are contractions or expansions of willpower, and the different flavours of emotion reflect desires for specific kinds of relationship.

                    – There might be other universes set up to do things other than experience relationships. However, we can never know or understand them from our frame of reference as a relationship-universe where we define everything by relationships.

                    – The life and phases of each VP are reflected fractally in the whole. Human birth and death is the same as the Sun’s and the entire universe. The universe itself is born and dies each and every moment as each VP flickers in and out of existence.

                    – This leaves two options (false dichotomy?) for when you die, and I haven’t decided which it is yet.

                    1) You reach the end of the life cycle of the universe itself, which then rebirths itself perhaps with some different relationship rules or other basis. In this option when you die you race right to the finish line because the fractal is the same at all levels. I saw “universal death and rebirth” during a major meditative experience. I believe it is the Fruition described by Daniel Ingram. In this option when you die you rejoin the master VP outside of time and everything else that has died is also there. Time as we perceive it here has no meaning for those who have died as they are at the finish line and so will you be too, ready to make a new universe. VPs expire and merge back together like bubbles burst and the air inside joins the master air outside the bubble.

                    2) The VP identified as “you” goes on causally into the next experience it expects based on its conditioning. So this explains past lives and afterlife concepts. This is very sketchy. Personally I swing more towards #1 above — death is reunification followed by spitting out a new universe.

                    – The universe experiences itself through all relationships simultaneously. As far as the master VP of the universe is concerned, all these aeons we perceive as individuals could have happened in the blink of an eye.

                    ————–

                    As you can see it’s not quite there yet. There are lots of questions there that may not be able to be answered. It seems like the act of asking a question changes the experience itself that is being questioned. It’s difficult to pin down some things satisfactorily but I’ll keep trying.

                    Re “staying in relationship space”. Consciously choose to experience only relationships, rather than concepts/objects themselves. Quit assigning Aristotelian “essences” to thing. So, this is not a person you are talking to, but is rather a relationship being experienced. When I got THAT (which was a spontaneous kind of awakening common in long-term meditators) I stayed in “relationship space” quite effortlessly for around 3-4 days. Sometimes it required a quick mental prompt to experience the relationships rather than trying to “perceive objects”. But that quickly let me tune back into relationships again. Reality was experienced as completely flowing relationships. There was no “essence” behind objects, including myself. I realized I am completely inherently empty and so are all “objects”. All there is is a relationship going on. The objects of “me” on this side and “the chair” on that side are just implied by the relationship itself. This is the exact opposite way most people work (and how it seems most scientists work, too). They tend to assume objects actually exist, and that “you” can perceive and measure them. But objects aren’t prime in my opinion. There are just relationships. Euclidean space is inferred from relationships. If you can mentally perform this inversion then reality should explode into a state of constant delightful flow.

                    That experience was the most blissful I have ever had, and the closest to full enlightenment I have ever had. The constant flowing joy of JUST RELATIONSHIPS was so overwhelmingly that at times I literally had to sit down and take a breather. Relationships just flow straight through you; it is only the resistance of putting a “self” there that causes suffering.

                    Anyway I’m not sure why it ended but certain aspects of that perceptual shift have become permanent. I have had a noticeable shift in attitude, for example towards the positive in terms of helping others (since I’m really helping “me”, and besides there are only relationships and no solid “people” out there, so I should choose preferential relationships since the relationships are the only thing that can ever be experienced). I also now have a map of how to get back to full enlightenment should I choose.

                    Finally, one major thing as a result of this experience was the seamless reconciliation of True Self and No-Self, something I had struggled with for years. It was like child’s play.

                    • Illuminatus says:

                      Forgot to add:

                      – Let’s talk evolution. The materialists have only half the equation, the causality that helps direct certain evolutionary paths. What they are missing is the WILL side of it. The universe can will a new better-adapted organism to experience itself through. I think the will of the animal to be better adapted, as it dies, affects eggs and sperm in other living animals of the same species to make something new.

                      I need to think some of these things through a bit more.

                    • Arpan says:

                      @ Illuminatus:
                      These 2 excerpts from Sri Aurobindo’s. Work seem to match your view on Will.

                      1. Scientists tell you that it is by the will to adapt itself in a particular way to its surroundings, one species differentiates itself from another. That is but one application of an universal principle. The Will is the root of all things; you will to have wife & children, friends & enemies and they arise. You will to be sick & sorry and sickness & sorrow seize you; you will to be strong & beautiful and happy, and the world becomes brighter with your radiance. This whole Universe is but the result of One universal Will which having resolved to create multitude in itself has made itself into all the forms you see within it.

                      2. Science has come to believe that the human will is a mere servant, nay, a mere creation of eternal inanimate forces. Science is mistaken & unless it widen its view it may easily be convinced of its mistake in a very ugly fashion before long. The Will is mightier than any law, fate or force. The Will is eternal, omnipotent, it has created the law of causation and governs it; it has made the laws of matter and it can override them; it is itself all the forces which seem to govern and bind it. There is no compulsion on the human will to evolve towards progression; if it chooses to regress, back it will go and all the world reeling and shrieking with it into barbarism and chaos; if it chooses to go forward, no force can stop it. The other mistake Science has made, it borrows from Christianity; it is that action and emotion can be directed towards beings distinct from oneself; all action and emotion are for the self, in the self. But if Science teaches men to regard themselves as distinct and purely corporeal beings, with no connection with others except such as may be created by physical contact and the communication of the senses, it is obvious that the human Will under the obsession of this belief, will inevitably shape its action & thought in accordance passing over the more shadowy moral generalities of evolutionary theorists or play with them only as intellectual marble.

                      His writings about Supramental Transformation of the Physical might interest you too. He believes that whatever work we do in the body, either via medication or via siddhis(control of consciousness) is bound to be temporary as it is a foreign quality imposed on the essential nature of the Physical. What’s needed is transformation of the Material/phtsical itself(Though he was intrigued by the hatha yogic process of continual renewal of body tissues indefinitely). Most of his post enlightenment time went into attempting the “supramentalization” of the physical.

                      One link: https://www.aurobindo.ru/workings/satprem/adventure_of_consciousness_e.htm#049

                    • Illuminatus says:

                      @Arpan:

                      Wow. It still amazes me when I read someone’s work who has come to the exact same conclusions I have. I mean, what he wrote there is practically word-for-word what I wrote.

                      Thanks very much for this. I may check out the link later (though I get sent a lot of links and generally ignore them haha).

                    • Arpan says:

                      I know. These excerpts too are part of his analysis of Isha Upanishad, so was hesitant to post.
                      He develops this view in much details in his own books later on including The Life Divine, Mother’s Agenda, Synthesis of Yoga etc

          • Illuminatus says:

            Back on course for the Total Win.

            A video will need to be made to clear this up for everyone. That will not be soon since I’m a fat bastard now and need to lose around 3 stone (I stopped exercising while figuring this all out because there was no way to do both).

          • Illuminatus says:

            I have to warn you in advance, when I write this all up I might well let off a bit of steam again in the form of another insane introduction, rallying the world against the scientists and doctors in this area who have let humanity down, all the while condescending to us from their supposed superior intellect. I will destroy them.

            Then I will put a wrecking ball through the materialist worldview in a separate post. It has been a long time coming, and they have deserved every ounce of the cognitive dissonance I will pay to them. Does anything make you shake your head in disdain more than a braindead materialist? I read a copy of New Scientist magazine the other day, called something like “The Metaphysics Issue”. It asked all the big questions — “What is consciousness?”, “What is the meaning of life?”, “Do we have free will?” etc. — and they gave their usual answers, trying to build the world from parts, with consciousness somehow arising from some chance arrangement of atoms. It was like reading a child’s homework. Then they talked about this new fad that has been doing the rounds recently, “Could you be living inside a simulation created by a more advanced intelligence?” Seriously, is this the best they can come up with? And they’ve been telling religious people for decades now that “There is almost certainly no God”, just to replace god with some VR simulator–building aliens. Absolute fucking morons. Utterly contemptible know-nothing pieces of shit.

            I came up with more satisfying answers than anything in that rag after only a short time meditating. My current worldview, after 9 years of meditation, is so comprehensive that you would never need ask another question again. (I will publish it soon.) Don’t these people ever think to just sit down and observe what is? Or to read the teachings of the Buddha? His treatise on Dependent Origination described a model of causality that leaves anything modern materialist science has come up with in the dust. And that was 2400 years ago.

            I don’t know why I hate scientists so much. I think it’s something to do with how much they try versus how much they fail, making grandiose theories that are all sizzle and no steak — while treating the layperson like a total dumbass. Stephen Hawking has to be the biggest hack luftmensch around. In time we will find that everything that much-celebrated wheelchair-bound troglodyte said was complete nonsense.

            #MANIA
            #GRANDIOSITY

          • Rigz says:

            Does this cause unwinding even if you don’t stretch? For example could you just hold the subtle version of the stretch face (Whcih i presume is just opened slightly), sat at the computer while at work, and still get unwinding going on?

            • Illuminatus says:

              Yes. If you do it at your desk you will likely get tremors. Notice that those tremors are actually trying to make you sit upright (and follow them into the upright pose). Stretching/yoga works better because you are activating more nerves = release more fascial bonds.

              I made a new face which is even better — scrunch face. Take your lips and some of your cheeks into your mouth and suck them around your teeth, and gently close your mouth. Scrunch up your eyes. You should hear a rushing sound. Standing up, put mental awareness on any tight part of the body and you should feel it releasing. You can also slowly try to open your mouth like this and you will feel more stuff release all over the place (you will never actually get your mouth open — the whole point is to turn on many nerves in the head while maintaining the light tension in the fascia caused by the scrunch). Also try stretching with this face. You can also try this with head turned to the side to approximate pillow positions. Just be slow and careful.

              This one is developing into a good solution. I’m working on a way to write it up into a usable tech.

          • BabaFella says:

            Hey,
            I haven’t had the chance to do the exercise as much as I would’ve liked to because of life circumstances, but I like it. Since I am practising a lot of asanas it’s hard to say what is the result of your technique or the asanas, but I believe that your technique has contributed to a looser jaw, and better posture. Holding the stretch face during walking also helps keeping the spine in better alignment and walking upright. It is also easier for me to have a normal yawn. My mouth becomes wider and I feel a clearer stretch in my upper body, such as in my lower back and obliques. But fixing a problem somewhere makes it obvious where other issues are still present. Structural issues you didn’t know have become obvious when you remove grosser elements 🙂 like you said, it probably takes a very long time to fix all of these issues.

            But I still think that asanas are necessary, just because it has been given a lot of importance by most yogic texts and teachers I trust. Sadhguru also states the importance of it time and again. It teaches us to work with all elements of the body, prepares for kundalini, it gives us the body we need for advanced yogic practices and flexibility is always a plus. My limited and modest experience in asana seems to confirm the beneficial effects. My hypothesis is that being flexible and correctly aligning the body through asana corrects fascia issues automatically. But I can see that with your techniques subtler issues can be tackled faster. It also doesn’t deal with the obvious issue that getting good at asana takes a long time.

            Back to your technique , it also seems that a lot of approaches can be taken, the fascia system seems so complex to me. There are a lot of subtle tweaks that can be made and a lot of factors to take into account when doing your exercises. It must be very difficult for you to explain all of this. It is for example not very obvious for me what the difference is between your previous technique with the cupped tongue and this. For example, when doing the cupped tongue technique over time it kinda automatically moved to the Stretch face technique, because the former felt more forced. Holding the lips together and just smiling also seem to give similar results. Sometimes my throat muscles contract, but it seems I can bypass this problem by mentally focusing on my belly area when that happens.

  2. Damn the more I am doing this doing nothing meditation the more violent the head shakes get, the same moment I lay down and do nothing it starts, sometimes I reach calm moments when it is absent and then it starts again, interesting, no other method did that to me as much as this, it’s not even so subtle anymore, my head is really jerking up down, left right, it’s really trying to bend back wards and I am letting it .

    • Arpan says:

      Is twiching on the face caused by similar reasons as this head shaking stuff ?
      Sometimes the twitching beseiges me quite intensely during meditation, especially in Do Nothing meditation.

      • Illuminatus says:

        It is absolutely caused by the same thing, and my model unites everything and offers a solution.

        • Arpan says:

          That’s interesting.I am looking forward to this. I am reading up your articles regarding fascia now. Didn’t take much interest before my own “spontaneous mini kriyas” started occurring. J accessed some traditional stuff as to why such movements occurred and hit upon what are called Bandhanams and Kriya in Yoga ( As per many yogis, many of the kriyas and bandhanams were derived from physical postures that bodies of yogus spontaneously took in deep meditation as kundalini started flowing. Shinzen Young seems to have a similar view: https://youtu.be/e9AHh9MvgyQ )

          I dunno how much relevance this has to this post but I would like to mention 2 more issues:

          1. Feeling of disconnection: After certain sessions I feel very pleasant but disconnected with the body(i can feel a pleasant numbness all over) and an unwillingness to land on the hardrock of everyday life. I feel quite woolly headed and attention seems diffused. This has decreased since an year though. But it really makes any mental work hard for hours. I am vary of indulging in any “grounding” behaviour like heavy foods etc as i dont think i am really advanced and might lose my pittance of progress. I dont do substances either.
          An experienced meditator tells me that my outer being needs time to get integrated with the outer as Energy takes time to percolate out.

          2. Fear of void: Sometimes I seem to have a cessation of all perception(not referring to any formless jhana, just describing my own experience). At this point I seem to lose my “personality” (dunno how else to descibe it) and a very intense fear makes the mind shrink back to normalcy. This state is often immediately repeatable but the “void” seems to be like a sheet of rubber which quickly sends the mind back with fear. Since i dont seem to have any volition in that state I cant take action at that time. I have stayed in void often though without the fear gripping me, but it all seems to be uncontrollable and random. Sometimes it happens, sometimes not. The meditator I mentioned above, states that i just fear being Alone and it would subside.

          While both the above phenomenon were never frequent and seem to have decreased in frequency as well as intensity over the year but I wanna ask if i can take any active steps for this. And yes, they occur with every kind of meditation i did, but occur more with Do Nothing.
          Any thoughts ?

          Thanks

          • Illuminatus says:

            I recommend you ignore all my posts about fascia in the past. Though well-meaning, they were based on faulty or unrefined premises. (The information currently out there, which I had to base most of my assumptions on, is truly awful. Most of the information on fascia out there is just plain wrong. I’ve had to create most of the model I now base my work on from scratch — that’s why it took 5 years.)

            You can however practise this yawn tech: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/posture-yawn-tech-beta/
            No harm there, and you’ll get plenty of release from it (though more targeted techs are required to fix people’s individual problems).

            “1. Feeling of disconnection…”

            I think Culadasa calls that “gross dullness”. I struggle with it plenty at the moment, due to my shift in focus the last several months to my fascia project. Before that however I would have days of crystal clarity after meditating followed by some “down days” where I’d feel like you described. I intend to follow Culadasa’s book to work my way through that. In other words, I can’t help you much with that at the moment. 🙂

            “2. Fear of void…”

            Sounds something like a gross taste of No-Self. The fear snapback response is classic Dark Night stuff, though don’t let labels like that get you freaked out — teachers like Culadasa are going to great lengths to teach gentle ways through such responses using samatha. Here’s what he has to say about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5He0q5u5yY

            I can’t really advise from a practice perspective because I had that response hardcore and had to dive right in repeatedly, with nerves of steel. It was the worst experience of my life, and at one point the fear went on for days at a time, if not weeks. For me it resolved with a sudden insight awakening into the true nature of No-Self. This process then repeated a couple more times (a year later, then 6 months after that one) with the insight lesson “maturing” and sinking in deeper each time.

            My most recent experience of this kind of nature was a few weeks ago where I had a sudden profound insight which reconciled No-Self with True Self in an explanation so elegant I could not help but feel totally relieved of the matters of life and death for several days straight, with total joy radiating within me. This afterglow wore off but the lesson stayed with me in terms of a permanent shift in my conceptual map of reality, with SOME persistent changes in attitude too, especially toward others. At this point I stopped practising selfish magick entirely and now only help others. The changes in attitude were very matter-of-fact on many points. My goal now is to see the world again how I did during those 6 days or so when all I felt was bliss and the division between “me” on this side and “the world” on that side was almost non-existent. If that barrier comes down permanently then that is true, full enlightenment.

            Well, I got a bit far away from the question there. 🙂 I suppose my point is that these fear rebounds you’re experiencing could be a sign that you’re about to transition your worldview. I would advise that you read descriptions — even scripture — of what No-Self actually is, and especially positive descriptions of it from people like Shinzen Young and Culadasa, and anyone else awesome you can find. Sadhguru’s enlightenment story is great and is on YouTube. You need to hammer into your head how wonderful No-Self is and that it is a worthy pursuit despite these often awful probes into it that come up even in a layperson’s meditation from time to time. I personally will be writing up the direct insights I gained from my recent experiences into a long post about the nature of the universe. You might find that reassuring, too. 🙂

            • Illuminatus says:

              By the way, it was daily practice of Sadhguru’s kriya, complete with the mantra “I am not my body, I am not even my mind” that precipitated that True Self insight. Third eye gazing with pleasant energy seems to be a kind and elegant way of temporarily dissolving the intellect and seeing beyond the noise of human conditioning. Getting through snapback responses seems to require dissolving the intellect in such ways, as it is the causality implied by the intellect — of imminent non-existence — which seems to cause such responses. Without the intellect’s causality hijacking the transition, one can pass through it with far less resistance.

              • Arpan says:

                I have things to say here and certain things to wrap my head around. I will get back to you a few days later after tryimg out stuff.

    • Illuminatus says:

      I believe this would begin happening at some point no matter what style of meditation you did. However the Do Nothing meditation does seem to activate some wacky right-brain programs quite quickly.

      You have no choice at this point but to resolve the issue itself. I am willing to teach you on Skype for free — get in touch. I am going to release the full tech for free anyway, but a real-time volunteer at this point will be immensely helpful in order to see if I can get the tech into someone else’s head. So, for anyone else reading this, the tech is coming, it will be free, and it will appear on this blog in the near future. For now however it needs further testing on a volunteer. I will only take one at a time for now, so please don’t ask. If I need more volunteers I will approach people personally.

      LB, get in touch.

  3. I appreciate your offer, unfortunately I am extremely busy barely have 15-20 minutes for myself, hopefully this period will pass soon.

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