Mailbag: Muscle Release, LSD, Jhana, Kundalini & MCTB Criticism

PJ wrote:

Hi,

I like your blog. I combined meditation with high doses of LSD and I think I almost got stream entry – I saw the hypersphere depicted here: http://alexgrey.com/art/paintings/soul/yogi-mobius-sphere/ . Is that what you experienced during your stream entry?

I’ve trouble reaching a state where my tension stored in the muscles get released. I get sporadic twitches, but nothing more. Can you recommend something for a quicker muscle release?

Thanks

Hi Paul,

Yes I saw the toroid, but it was on its side (so 90 degrees turned compared to that pic, and also more doughnut-like), but I only got a look at it briefly the one time, while on LSD. During non-LSD fruitions they have happened too quickly to get a good look, maybe because I was not deep enough into formless realms at the time. Also note that LSD predisposes one heavily to “scripting”, meaning you end up having the experience you expect or desire. It took me about 6 months of steady insight meditation to get a fruition without LSD after it happened with LSD. Fruitions don’t interest me any more (though they still happen from time to time by themselves 🙂 ).

I’ve trouble reaching a state where my tension stored in the muscles get released. I get sporadic twitches, but nothing more. Can you recommend something for a quicker muscle release?

It’s a complex subject. Firstly, you want to cultivate the ability to do this without drugs whatsoever, and that will take some time. Entry to hard third jhana, and definitely fourth, requires abandoning the body quite a bit (and therefore muscles will be relaxed). For jhanas above that you will definitely have no “muscle tension” in terms of tightness caused by emotions. So, attaining the high jhanas will necessarily involve learning to let go of muscle tension, and this is usually done by fixating one’s awareness on the object like glue so the mind is forced to no longer interact with the muscles (and they spontaneously relax, often at the entry to the next jhana). In fact, muscles relaxing spontaneously is characteristic, in my experience, of climbing higher to any jhana. So, entry to 1st jhana makes some per cent of muscle tension fall away. 2nd jhana, even more. By the time you reach fourth there is hardly any muscle tension. Formless realms, basically zero (and I believe this is one way the jhanas actually work — releasing the body’s input to the mind and vice versa, and is also why they are so powerful for emotional cleansing, especially fourth). I experience these upward shifts to higher jhanas as a subtle “dropping” feeling on each climb, which I believe is muscle tension falling away, connected to the mental/emotional shift. Some semblance of this “falling away” feeling accompanies every upward shift to a higher jhana, for me.

Another way muscle tension can be removed via meditative practice is kundalini. The upward energy of kundalini is effectively a kind of ongoing global release of muscle tension. However, this releasing process is often extremely painful, since the kundalini is essentially breaking by force the emotional/cognitive bonds that cause the muscle tension, and is also working on the physical level of making nerves pull through muscles back to their correct location, and is essentially undoing a lot of conditioning on both the physical and cognitive level. Kundalini should not be entered into lightly and can cause “kundalini syndrome” — psychotic breaks etc. I use kundalini daily however because it “found me” during my practice. I had the psychotic breaks etc. for a full day but now appear to be able to control the forces somewhat (though “stuff” comes up from it from time to time). I can release any muscle by sending kundalini through it, which I do every morning.

Then you have physical interventions such as getting a massage and stretching work done by someone qualified AND who knows what they are doing on some level beyond just what their textbook says. They can be quite hard to find but are worth it. My massage therapist is a yogi who also has three university degrees in various physiotherapies. He is worth his weight in gold. Your meditation practice will ordinarily become much easier and more flowing after getting such work done.

Then you have various relaxation programmes and guided meditations where they specifically instruct you to relax each muscle in turn. My problem with this is that they usually have you lying down for it, which will cause many people to just fall asleep. Compare this to jhana work though where the spine must be completely upright — and it is this “uprightness”, this erect pose and upward lengthening of the spine, which energizes the mind the most and allows the deeper jhanas. So, paradoxically, in high jhana you may well be in a high-energy state yet still have zero muscle tension associated with emotional turmoil (and I find the upper thighs to be a particular “container” of such emotional stress, though of course nothing really ever “contains” anything in this sense).

Finally I would make some recommendation of, as a beginner (I assume you are?), doing 5 minutes of pure mindfulness meditation BEFORE jhana meditation. During this time you would simply make note of locations of muscle tension — without trying to do anything about it! — while breathing. Stopping fighting the system is the first step to the system correcting itself. Just bringing awareness to tightness, without trying to throw effort at relaxing it, will in time have that tightness fall away on its own. “Trying to relax” is paradoxical — instead just note the tightness as you feel it without trying to do anything to it at all, and it will sort itself out.

Hope that helps. Can I use this as a Mailbag on my blog?

Edd

PJ wrote:

Sure, use it for your blog. 

Regarding my experience – I’m in dissolution stage (as defined in MCTB) right now. At what stage did your kundlini ‘find you’? I think I collected all of the pieces of the puzzle named ‘my depression’. Meditation is a great relief. I started meditating for multiple hours per day and left brain seems to be losing its grip on me – there is less and less thinking, I’m able to stay with my body sensations most of the time now. The missing piece is muscle release – I feel like I’m wearing an armour of tension I’m not able to shed. That’s why I’m curious as to when (relative to the progress of insight from MCTB) did you start experiencing your kundalini. Did you have the two snakes sensation doing up your spine?

LSD gives me the ability to experience my emotions fully, I sense them at my heart chakra. Unfortunately, this ability fades with the trip and I’m desperate to recover it with meditation.

If you want to create custom states, I would recommend the jhanas. They are the key to customizing your experience – especially the fourth jhana. As a side question, what jhana can you reach currently?

Chakra work is another possibility for custom states. Have you tried energizing your heart chakra to recreate the emotional states you want?

Yoga, jhana, chakras – these are all the science of altered states. I do not know much about chakra work formally – the chakras “presented themselves to me” after kundalini. They are just part of the overall system/formula. I let the kundalini energize the chakras as it wishes.

My kundalini awakening began while I was trying for MCTB third path. I wrote about it here: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/mailbag-should-you-trust-my-advice/

One thing I may not have emphasized enough in that post was how unpleasant and jarring the initial experience was. It would have been classified as a mental or psychotic break if mental health professionals had analysed me. It was like what I would imagine a bad LSD trip to be like (though all my LSD experiences have actually been positive). It was real bad Dark Night shit – much worse than anything else I had experienced up to that point.

Currently I use kundalini energy to energize my mind before doing jhana practice, and it is a shortcut in this respect to very hard jhanas, very quickly. Most of this experience has been amazing. However, this practice does bring up a lot of my “stuff” – repressed beliefs etc. Kundalini is well known for this. I need to do a lot more work on it before considering trying to teach my combined kundalini/jhana technique. I cannot ethically advise anyone to take up kundalini work at this point just because of how insanely disturbing that initial experience was.

Insight meditation is not particularly to do with custom experiences – in fact it is to do with finding acceptance with WHATEVER experience you are having. Therefore, if you are looking to feel good (or whatever experience you want), insight is not only NOT going to give that reliably, but will likely drag you through the grinder before giving you any positive states. My view is: JHANA JHANA JHANA JHANA!

Now, I will give a brief opinion on MCTB. This is only my opinion, and has been formed after a few years of practising it. Firstly, MCTB insight practice is not the only insight practice. There are others. The only one I practised a lot before finding MCTB was Shinzen Young’s method, which basically just involves observing sensations with mindfulness and equanimity — and NOT trying to “see the Three Characteristics” or “shoot space aliens” like MCTB – which I now consider rather insane. I view MCTB’s methodology as flawed, and probably not good for most people – although a super-logical, super-left-brained subset of people (like Daniel Ingram) might benefit. (BTW, I think highly of Daniel Ingram, and think his book is generally good – I just have massive issue with a few key bits of it.)

My major, major issue with MCTB however is its MASSIVE focus on the “Dark Night”. You will likely not find this level of obsession in any other meditation work. Here is the major problem as I see it. The human mind has a tendency to associate events with its current narrative, whatever that may be. It does this very quickly and largely unconsciously. So, you are in Dissolution now. Well, by creating the label “Dissolution”, and having a concept of what that state may entail, and then deciding you are in it, you have given yourself a very high chance of associating many otherwise random events in your life with “being in Dissolution”. That’s what happened with me, anyway. This is part of what “scripting” is – finding the experience you expect to find or have programmed yourself with beforehand. The human mind is VERY inclined towards scripting. MCTB is essentially a script for a waking nightmare, if you take it seriously – which I did. Now, I am not saying that jarring, often strange experiences won’t happen if you meditate. In fact, they almost certainly will at some point. But by categorizing and labelling them all up as some long episode called “Fear” or whatever, you are effectively programming yourself to look out for fearful experiences to corroborate your script. This perpetuates and extends any fearful experiences that have arisen as a result of the meditation. I believe there are probably far kinder insight meditation paths out there (but I don’t know of any, as I’ve only practised MCTB and Shinzen Young – and Shinzen Young is kinder but lacks instruction on jhanas and creating happiness states).

Finally, MCTB fruition and stream entry and all that shit pretty much ended nothing for me. Maybe it’s because I was already very right-brained, but I tended to experience the world in a very nondual way anyway. As an example of this, when I took LSD in many ways I didn’t find the change in experience to be that different from normal life. I already saw/felt everything as connected and being quite like a dream. It is more likely however that my 5 years of Shinzen Young’s method had already given me all that stuff. Point is, fruitions etc. were amazing at the start but are now like “Meh”. I am much more interested in the jhanas now, for programming the worldly experiences I want to experience.

Meditation is a great relief. I started meditating for multiple hours per day and left brain seems to be losing its grip on me – there is less and less thinking, I’m able to stay with my body sensations most of the time now.

That’s good. However it’s not as simple as “left brain vs. right” with the left brain being the evil one. (However, I may have written things implying that in the past when I was just getting into Iain McGilchrist’s stuff). In fact, it is the left brain that creates the initial jhana states (conceptualization and solidification of the object) and therefore much of the pleasure. Make a friend of both hemispheres.

Really, though, it is the deep imprinting in the lizard brain, the amygdalae etc. that is the problem. Both right and left frontal lobes are highly reactive to those lower brains, and those lower brains are where all the really bad conditioning is. Kundalini tends to blast right through them and release a lot of shit, both good and bad. I believe one reason kundalini can create psychotic or dissociated states is by blasting through the very basic emotional relationships/associations in the amygdalae. So it can be very ungrounding, because it disrupts the basis of your reality (and even if your reality is founded on a lot of negative, fearful beliefs, those beliefs are at least STABLE until kundalini comes along).

The jhanas on the other hand suspend input from the lower brains, allowing the frontal lobes a chance to think clearly and inject some of their own programming into the mind-body. This can cause its own ungrounding, but a lot more concentration practice is required to do this, in my experience.

These descriptions are all highly simplified, obviously.

The missing piece is muscle release – I feel like I’m wearing an armour of tension I’m not able to shed.

Yeah, but where are the signals coming from to tense up? I think the key is the very deep programming in the amygdalae, particularly the right amygdala. To crack into that cycle, you have to really get far above it, and that is where the jhanas come in.

I also have heard good things about Neo-Reichian methods for removing “emotional armouring” though, but haven’t tried any. I have attached a doc describing various resources but I have not tested them  — this was something I downloaded ages ago but never had time to go through. I have read the doc however and it makes one important point:

“Kelley viewed the muscular armor as having a purpose for the person doing the armoring, and he viewed it a matter or choice for that person to either let go and experience fully the feelings inside when appropriate, or to block those feelings in order to apply purpose and to accomplish something. Also, he did not view the unblocking of emotion in someone to have a finite end — or a beginning.  He viewed the blocking of emotion, or the construction of the armor, as an ongoing process necessary for survival and for the full range of choices in life.”

So, it is highly useful to be able to remove armour when you deem it appropriate – and in my experience the fourth jhana is the best for this.

But it’s also important to know what armour is doing, and it protects you from responding “too openly” at times.

One thing kundalini did for me during the insane initial experience was to strip away ALL ARMOUR. This was madness. I got out the shower and just didn’t think to put on clothes, and walked around naked in the house for about half an hour. I literally had to remind myself to do simple things regarding social protocol because all that conditioning had been blasted away. I can see why people in “fugue states” end up walking around naked etc.

Anyway, I’ve rambled enough. Hopefully you found something useful here.

Edd

PJ wrote:

I’m trying to reach the first jhana. I experienced something resembling jhana few times during / very close to being asleep. I sometimes regain cosciousness at night and feel stable and pleasant vibrations. Last time I felt a female presence that was taking my hand and tried to pull me out of my body. 

Encountering these states before/during sleep suggest to me that I’m not relaxed enough and perhaps trying to hard?

I have had emails from people saying this method is successful for getting to jhana: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/jhana-drinking-air-through-the-nose/  Please note, since writing that I now only meditate in cross-legged sitting pose.

I am currently advising people not to even attempt insight meditation or any advanced work until they have achieved the fourth jhana. Insight can be just too terrifying without the equanimity base provided by fourth jhana. The fourth jhana is a massive personal development turning point, in my opinion.

I’m trying to reach the first jhana. I experienced something resembling jhana few times during / very close to being asleep. I sometimes regain cosciousness at night and feel stable and pleasant vibrations. Last time I felt a female presence that was taking my hand and tried to pull me out of my body.

Encountering these states before/during sleep suggest to me that I’m not relaxed enough and perhaps trying to hard?

Not jhana, sorry. Jhana is a high-energy mind state with complete awareness on the object. It is filled with energy and rapture.

I recommend practising when the mind has the most energetic potential, i.e. in the morning after sleeping well.

The sleep phenomena you describe however suggest to me you have the potential for out-of-body experiences. Those can be interesting (and at times terrifying), but are nothing really to do with what we’re talking about here.

Edd

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31 Responses

  1. Simon says:

    Do you think kundalini energy has any relation to the various seductive states written about by cosy on the old masf forum a few years ago? You wrote that he would “drop into sexual trance”, sexual trance being the PNS activated, tantric like state where you can tolerate more and more bodily pleasure. I have achieved states like that during sex, and while I can see how it would work just in a bar or any other sort of setting by the miracle of mirror nerves, the states he described doesn’t line up exactly with the experience of a PNS tantra state. The descriptions of kundalini that i’ve read online do however seem to, especially with his talk about “dark, drenching” states. Sorry as I know this isn’t really related to the topic at hand, I’m just curious if you think cosy is just some sort of rare outlier that can achieve states of high emotion that others simply cannot due to his brain chemistry and others shouldn’t even bother trying to learn them because of that, or if it may be possible for others to learn, and if kundalini energy is related to that at all. The descriptions of kundalini awakening experiences on sites like erowid are not unlike some of his old masf posts!

    • Illuminatus says:

      Well, firstly I will make my position clear on kundalini’s nature. I don’t think it’s anything special in terms of it being some sort of “extra energy” — I think it’s what we have anyway — perhaps the majority of it being repressed energy, or “energy fighting energy” in the case of shame, for example — and somehow the mind learns to use it in different ways. The mind somehow learns to turn on old circuits and previous conditioning begins to be undone.

      It is no surprise that “kundalini awakenings” tend to happen to people who have been meditating a long time anyway. I also do not think the kundalini experience is anything different from what happens in other meditation practices, e.g. insight and concentration — I think they are ALL the same process, just approached from different angles/ using different ideas and models. The real difference with kundalini, and the reason I believe it gets so much attention, reverence and speculation, is the SPEED at which “things happen”. So, with insight meditation you can have a “Dark Night” that lasts a few years. With kundalini, you can have that condensed down to one or two nightmarish days. I believe it is primarily the technique that dictates whether the pace is slow and plodding or explosive and fast.

      What we are talking about at its base is the mind discovering that it can direct “energy” (which I consider to be, basically, nerve current flows) in new ways and undo old conditioning. There is necessarily an “experimental phase” where the mind does several “power-on self-tests” to discover what happens when energy enters X circuit (often circuits that have been repressed for years, such as the sexual circuit). The experimental phase is where most of the Dark Night shit happens, but it seems necessary in order for the mind how to use the energy in the body productively. It’s a calibration phase.

      So, in the sense that I believe kundalini energy is nothing special in terms of its electrochemical nature, and that Cosy was using energy in certain ways to get sex, you could say “Cosy was using kundalini” — but it’s a bit redundant. Fact is, he is a meditator and did martial arts for many years before seduction. If you do meditation long enough you learn to use energy in different ways. Martial arts is also all about energy — yours and your opponent’s.

      Additionally, Cosy is very nondual. He did things like merging with his opponent in martial arts to determine his next move. When he saw a girl he liked the first thing he did was picture how the situation could go in a way that had him kissing her soon after. Then he would do the situation just like he had the picture in his head. This stuff, which could have the look of mind control to it to an observer, is all pretty normal when you get into nondual states and attitudes. There is really nothing that unusual about “siddhis” when you have experiential nondual beliefs.

      As a separate side note regarding kundalini and sexual energy, I can confirm that the kundalini energy is EXTREMELY sexual, especially at the beginning. I had an almost permanent hardon for about 2 weeks and could whack it 6 times in a row without even losing a hardon. I could barely think straight at times. Then I realized I had to get that under control so started directing it into jhanas instead, especially allowing the energy to travel upwards and meet the sky at the highest point I could imagine in my mind, which channelled it into “Heaven” and gave a hugely spiritual feeling (which I can now tap into at any time). In fact, at this point, after those jhana sessions I began seeing a white wisp of smoke/energy whizzing around the scene, wherever I was at the time. I could really see how early Christians could have conceptualized the “Holy Ghost” if they had been doing such meditations. (BTW, I am NOT Christian.)

  2. Yuki says:

    What do you do to raise kundlini to the head?

    • Illuminatus says:

      I have my “core method” which is very difficult to describe because it’s basically something I can just turn on at will. The knowledge of how to do that just sort of showed up in my practice one day. Very roughly, while keeping my awareness at my third eye I imagine the base of my spine. So, it involves keeping two things in awareness at once which requires practice in itself. You could try keeping it simple by just imagining a line joining your third eye and the base of your spine. If you then feeling buzzing in your stomach area or elsewhere you know some energy is flowing. As you then breathe in you might find the channel “clears” a bit and the buzzing becomes a more even upward sensation of stimulation.

      But this isn’t something you go into lightly. I will inevitably start writing guides about it, because it has done so much good for my life, but just remember that I (and countless others) have had a serious psychotic episode at the start of this experience. I am actually grateful for my insight practice in many ways as this was basically just really bad versions of things I had already experienced while doing insight. If I had had little experience in such things I would easily have ended up on a mental ward, probably.

      Other techniques are the breath of fire (kapalbhati). However I do not do it dozens of times in a row, but instead do one forceful exhale then notice that, while the lungs are refilling on their own, there is an upwards energy at that time. I direct that upwards energy into my jhana or whatever practice I am doing. I usually do not need extra energy though due to my core technique; I call upon it during difficult “downward” times when I am battling through negative conditioning and need that boost.

      My pose for meditation now, every time, is sat cross-legged with palms facing upward. This makes energy go up into my head. Placing thumb and forefinger together adds a more focused (less general) energy beam into the head, because nerves which operate the thumb and forefinger run straight up into the base of the brain. When you get a good experiential grasp of energy systems (i.e. you can literally feel “energy” moving around, travelling up into your head etc.) then all the yoga poses make PERFECT sense.

      I also breathe into my CROWN — and put emphasis on my in-breath, particularly when energizing. And if I want more upward energy I push the tip of my tongue into the roof of my mouth. Basically, any “upward” pose or action in the body causes this upward-directed energy, including the in-breath.

      One thing I am currently doing is generating upward energy (using the exact techniques I just mentioned) for 10 minutes till my brain and body are fully switched on. During this time the upward energy itself is my object. THEN I switch to 1 hour of pure classical jhana with breath as my object. These jhanas are unbelievable. My progress has been insanely fast on this programme.

      BUT DON’T BLAME ME IF YOU CAN’T HANDLE IT AND END UP GOING CRAZY. It requires EXTREME mindfulness and prior concentration experience to be able to direct this kind of energy productively.

  3. Vick says:

    Since at the moment you’re more into modifying your experience, I’m really surprised you aren’t following any magickal system.
    Like Crowley’s book 4 or IIH, and they’re very similar as they are based on yogic training.

    At your level you can probably blast through the few steps of IHH pretty quickly, and mastering the elements (fire, water, earth, air) seems to bring very interesting results.

    I still didn’t even go past the first step, I’m going for the fourth jhana first.

    • Illuminatus says:

      “Since at the moment you’re more into modifying your experience, I’m really surprised you aren’t following any magickal system.”

      Who says I’m not? 😛

      To answer more seriously though, there are a couple of things here. The first is that I experience everything as magick. I have found it much more beneficial to seriously modify my general attitude towards people and life — and this is why I’m being a lot nicer recently and taking time over replies and not dismissing anyone. I will make a post about this soon. This shift came directly from becoming a lot happier via kundalini energy and the jhanas and beginning to seriously purge my negativity about the world. There was an intention made to really get a grasp on this stuff, and how the universe works, etc. etc. and that began to play out very rapidly and nicely over the last several weeks. I think it is a lot more beneficial to do big, good, positive, friendly magickal intentions to sort out one’s life and relationship to the world first than it is to just wish for a sports car or £50,000 or whatever. As part of this general theme, it is currently much more productive generally for me to utilize any time spent in fourth jhana (the basis of magick, and a fundamental attainment for self-change IMO) healing myself of my gratuitous fuck-ups over the last several years — including my misuse of magick which eventually cost me thousands of pounds in gambling addictions! I have a lot of wounds to lick. Luckily, fourth jhana does that better than anything else out there.

      I don’t think I’ve mentioned this in any posts, and I was going to save it for the announcement post I just mentioned, but my eyesight has permanently healed. That happened “by itself” (without specific intention for it to do so) after a concentration meditation session one day. I will talk about that fully in the next post. That is pretty magickal, to me. I now sit and do jhana and see what it brings next. At times I have seen halos around people’s heads which change with their thoughts. There are some hints of other things which might be on their way, too. My goal is total mastery of my own mind, emotions, and experience (and though I am certainly far from that, having a huge goal like that does seem to create bigger improvements in the short term).

      “Like Crowley’s book 4 or IIH, and they’re very similar as they are based on yogic training.”

      Crowley is not someone I have explored much, though I have seen a documentary about him and he seems very similar to me in many ways. 🙂
      I also have a real-life friend (Aldous on this site) who loves Crowley and all things magickal.

      My view is that I understand how ritual works, and where magickal systems come from, and therefore already have “the keys to the kingdom” so to speak (intention plus awareness equals magick), so exploring any individual magickal system is not particularly interesting to me personally. We are all casting spells all the time anyway, and if you get access to the fourth jhana and spend time there often you can develop some serious magickal ability because your intentions can become so focused in that state. But beyond just granting wishes you can use that mental state to change your mind (and therefore your experience of reality) in drastic ways, such as permanently eliminating anxieties, anger, and other negative emotions, and cultivating personality traits you actually want to exhibit, which will give a far better general experience of reality going forward.

      I have the book “Initiation into Hermetics” under my bed but found it difficult to get past the first couple of chapters. The division of reality into the elements etc. is just one man’s arbitrary system of doing so. The power it gives to people who practise it is that, through ritual, it consolidates their belief which focuses their intent. That’s basically how any magickal system works. I am all for people finding these things interesting and giving themselves permission to let go and really get into it, because no doubt it can be fun. However I personally am more interested in the bigger lessons which unite all these things. To each his own. 🙂

      • Aldous says:

        Fantastic post!

      • Vick says:

        Honestly I never connected with MTCB and insight in the first place because there wasn’t much, if any (I dont really remember) focus on control of the self; thoughts, emotions and general state of being.
        I also don’t really care about being rich and all that stuff you’re supposed to want, if anything it will probably cause too many attachments to things and will be a waste of mental energy and might lead to obsessions.
        Your entire comment falls in line with some yogic books I’ve been reading in the past couple weeks which is pretty cool.

        Amazing about the eyesight, I read a bit about that and it seems that it’s mostly bad muscle management so I can see how high energy jhanas and kundaliny would fix them without working on it purposely.

        I can see the importance of the fourth jhana, that’s why it my main goal atm, while I try to eliminate negative thoughts and emotions in real time.

        Yeah all magickal systems are basically different approaches to the same thing, whatever works for you is the best approach.
        Looks like your clairvoyance is developing rapidly if you can see the aura without any altering on consciousness.
        Just a note about the elements which you probably already know are the elemental beings, which are supposed to help with self perfection.

        I don’t know why and if you even care but I’m really glad you’re moving in the direction of self perfection.

        • Illuminatus says:

          🙂 thanks.

          “Honestly I never connected with MTCB and insight in the first place because there wasn’t much, if any (I dont really remember) focus on control of the self; thoughts, emotions and general state of being.”

          Well all that got thrown in the category “Morality” at the start, mentioned then not explored. Then the book became mostly about vipassana insight, which the Buddha didn’t actually invent. So the book is largely about a method of insight invented long after the Buddha’s time, and heavily interpreted through the experience of Daniel Ingram and his dharma friends. So, the book is mistitled, because those are not the core teachings of the Buddha. However, the section on concentration meditation itself makes that book worth reading, even if you just read those parts. Having looked into it somewhat, it seemed all the Buddha ever said was, “Do jhana!” The practice of insight meditation was then inferred from various passages from his discourses. It’s all messy business, but the Buddha’s teachings weren’t written down till long after he died so it’s not surprising.

          “Amazing about the eyesight, I read a bit about that and it seems that it’s mostly bad muscle management so I can see how high energy jhanas and kundaliny would fix them without working on it purposely.”

          I’ve heard about muscle management programmes to fix eyesight but never looked into them or tried them.
          With me, if I step out the house and look into the distance my eyesight is at about 90% (up from something more like 50% before this phenomenon happened — my prescription was -1.75 / +4.00 so vision was not good with or without the glasses). While looking into the distance, if I absorb into my breath, the image suddenly becomes clear — maybe up to 98% clarity. After that, if I generate bliss states or upwards energy with kundalini, the image becomes even clearer, and there is a suddenly expansion of the scene and the obviousness of the picture being made from two visual apertures suddenly disappears, as does the shadow image of my nose, and I just get the picture itself with little sense of a “me” viewing it. It is 99%+ clarity at that point and it has become a game seeing how clear I can make it, whether I can read text super far in the distance, etc., always trying to squeeze more clarity out of it using energy, absorption into whatever I’m viewing or my breath, etc. etc. Sometimes I go to the park and just walk around looking at things. Coming from being pretty blind to being able to actually see things is a bit like walking through the wardrobe into Narnia. This on its own makes me pretty happy.
          My conclusion with all this is that, for me personally, it’s not so much a muscle issue as it is an emotional one. The bliss from the energy work, or the jhana caused by absorbing into the breath while looking at something, washes away any perturbing thoughts and the image becomes clearer in real time. So I think it is disturbed or conflicted thoughts (energies) in the mind (or conflicting nerve signals in the brain if we want to get physical) that causes my poor vision. The vision has got better in quality, with less effort, the more sitting meditation I have done.

          “I can see the importance of the fourth jhana, that’s why it my main goal atm, while I try to eliminate negative thoughts and emotions in real time.”

          For me personally the negative thoughts/emotions/responses have largely changed out there in “real life” by themselves after doing sitting meditation. These changes are marked by a noticeable ABSENCE of negative response in situations which would normally evoke a strong negative response from me. Day-to-day stuff where I would sometimes get pissed off for no rational reason now seem completely inconsequential.

          In real time, rather than trying to eliminate such responses, I have instead just become more aware of the different paths I could take emotionally, and the one I’m taking automatically. If the automatic one has changed for the better I am often very aware of that. If it’s still a negative response, I tend to become a lot more aware of the possible reasons behind it, the sudden understanding of which often pulls the rug out from under the response and I can correct it. Point is, the change in baseline emotional tone due to the concentration meditation/ energy work has changed my perspective and it is that which is most responsible for changing my responses. The meditation has made me more rational. It has given me space and time within my responses.

          Before this I was trying to micromanage responses basically all the time which is highly frustrating and paradoxically ends up creating negative responses as you burn out. I don’t know how you are going about trying to eliminate negative thoughts and emotions in real time because I only have your above sentence to go on. However, if it is anything like the micromanagement scheme I just described, I would advise instead to actually turn that down and turn your meditation time up and have faith that the meditation itself will solve most of the responses by changing the underlying perspective that causes them.

          “Looks like your clairvoyance is developing rapidly if you can see the aura without any altering on consciousness.”

          It was mainly around the time I saw the “Holy Ghost” phenomenon described in an earlier comment above. The halo seemed to be connected to whether that person was using their neocortex or not. If they were giving space and time to their thoughts, the halo would become wide and clear-white. If they were just waffling and in monkey-mind, it would shrink drastically while still being perceivable as a smaller volume around the middle of their head. I have not looked into auras etc. but I assumed it was something to do with that. I figure it’s the sort of thing that will just develop on its own the more I meditate.

          “Just a note about the elements which you probably already know are the elemental beings, which are supposed to help with self perfection.”

          My view on this is: if it helps, it helps. Reality is very plastic. You can have helpers appear whenever you need them. Ultimately you are helping yourself and how that experience transpires is very customizable.

          • Vick says:

            I did read the MTCB fully, I think I’ll reread the concentration part again.
            Also when I look into a system, I’m interested in the prmised end result, and “dissolution” or “awaking” and seeing reality as sensations with the three characteristics didn’t seem alluring.
            Yeah I think so too about the Buddha, since the yogic texts all put immense focus on concentration as well.

            Really interesting about the eyes, I just read a couple days ago something like; the body’s natural state is perfect health, it is only the thoughts and emotional baggage that bring disease, when a healer heals, he just brings the balance back.

            My practice improved dramatically since I incorporated energy work again, I even made a post on the forum about brain fog and energy blocks\tense muscles in the neck. I do need to put in more hours and stop wasting time on nonsense though, it’s something I’m have a bit of a hard time with.

            I don’t think I’m micromanaging, it’s more like -> Have useless thoughts -> notice my emotional state change -> strong internal command to STOP and clear the thoughts -> override state with breathing and energy flow.
            Sometimes when my mind\body pulling me into depression\resentment I literally feel a pull down, so I relax, breath move energy.

            I also practiced a bit in noticing what various emotions feel like and trying to recreate them when necessary i.e happiness. I don’t worry too much about my reaction to other people and situations atm, I just notice an unwanted reaction and take a mental note of it for now.
            And If I think oh I looked stupid or whatever I just say good, I don’t care and it goes away. (I really don’t care, nor want to care)

            It seems like my mind just wants to think about useless stuff, especially stuff that have an emotional reaction (anger, me vs them, self importance, “if I was in that situation I would..” and feel righteous etc.) , it doesn’t even matter what it is thinking about. Sometimes I stop the thoughts and it just tries to latch onto something else and pull me into it with a similar emotional reaction.

            The direction you’re going in is very interesting, I hope you’ll keep us updated, at least about major stuff.

            • Illuminatus says:

              “Also when I look into a system, I’m interested in the prmised end result, and “dissolution” or “awaking” and seeing reality as sensations with the three characteristics didn’t seem alluring.”

              Yeah. Only one bit out of that system has remained in my mind, and that is seeing the sensations because they appear as disturbances in the concentration stream. Letting them pass through it what ends them, and this also causes “cycling” (which I think is just different nerves turning on; the way the body switches states) which I believe would not be a problem if they hadn’t given them wacky names like “Dissolution” and got all obsessive about them. Anyway, perceiving the sensations that make up, say, a thought, is not really a concern of anyone till they are attempting advanced emptiness work, which is part of my practice now just by virtue of having done meditation for so long (all the systems eventually converge).

              “I don’t think I’m micromanaging, it’s more like -> Have useless thoughts -> notice my emotional state change -> strong internal command to STOP and clear the thoughts -> override state with breathing and energy flow.
              Sometimes when my mind\body pulling me into depression\resentment I literally feel a pull down, so I relax, breath move energy.”

              This is good. I do something similar: I immediately invoke an UP energy travelling up through my body and out through my crown. The sensations that made up the negative emotions are then immediately perceivable in that upward stream. The upward stream boils them off. I believe this is why kundalini is always said to “burn off negative conditioning” and fire references are always made (and there are also bizarre visual phenomena with kundalini resembling things being on fire).

              “I also practiced a bit in noticing what various emotions feel like and trying to recreate them when necessary i.e happiness.”

              If you wanted to take this further you could (with lots of mindfulness) figure out which nerves are turning on when you’re happy, then learn to turn those on at will. E.g. there are nerves either side of the face which draw the mouth up into a smile; one can begin smiling, notice those nerves turning on, then choose to keep them on. Then it turns out they are part of a bigger circuit for happiness, rapture and bliss feelings which all begins to turn on once you’ve activated one part of it. Hey presto, you’re in jhana. It seems like you can take any aspect of the human experience and follow its path and it will converge with all meditative/yoga/energy systems. The capacity for customizing one’s mental-emotional state is almost endless.

              The up energy itself is a key part of the happy/enthusiastic circuit so continuing to cultivate up energy will condition this circuit into use anyway.

              “It seems like my mind just wants to think about useless stuff, especially stuff that have an emotional reaction (anger, me vs them, self importance, “if I was in that situation I would..” and feel righteous etc.) , it doesn’t even matter what it is thinking about. Sometimes I stop the thoughts and it just tries to latch onto something else and pull me into it with a similar emotional reaction.”

              You just nailed almost the totality of the human problem. It’s practically all based in visceral gut reaction. There is almost no point in discourse about the world till humans all start meditating and forcefully drive themselves upwards, far above this reactionary nature.

              • Vick says:

                I usually just do upstream while breathing in and down while breathing out.
                I tried the upstream for a few hours for the last couple days and it’s a bit harder to keep a continuous stream because of certain blocks but it seems better. It also fixes my posture automatically, the body just aligns itself to let the energy pass.
                I also tried it before meditation and got that jhana bliss while doing it, but my left shoulder started hurting like hell, I’ll work on it for a couple days and hopefully relieve the pain.
                I’ll keep doing that for now, worst case I’ll release the kundalini and go crazy for a bit.

                Huh you’re right about the nerves, I can get the smiling feeling without actually smiling, I’ll have to play with it. I just used the feeling in my chest up until now.

                “There is almost no point in discourse about the world till humans all start meditating and forcefully drive themselves upwards, far above this reactionary nature.”

                I have a feeling it’s going to take a while. 😀

                Thanks for the detailed responses!

                • Illuminatus says:

                  “I usually just do upstream while breathing in and down while breathing out.”

                  I have not really sussed the role of the down energy yet. When playing with it I get unpredictable results.

                  One thing I am fairly sure of, however, is that the depressed/lethargic/sedated state lacks “up” energy, and channelling that can allow one to overcome that state very rapidly. E.g. I no longer experience bipolar symptoms — on a “down” day I can channel “up” energy and turn it into an “up” day within seconds.

                  “I tried the upstream for a few hours for the last couple days and it’s a bit harder to keep a continuous stream because of certain blocks but it seems better.”

                  The trick is to stay on those blocks as long as they need to clear. Rest your mind on them and let your breathing and energy-work work automatically on the block — it “knows what to do”. The blocks eventually clear by themselves and the energy rises to the next level. At the end you have it streaming upwards through your crown and you will be in a bliss state for the rest of the day — and the classical jhanas are also far easier after this. During the “resting your mind on your block” phase you are essentially doing insight meditation, and the individual sensations that make up that block become apparent. Also, by clearing these blocks you are doing chakra work. This is what I mean when I say all the systems are connected — they are the same thing approached different ways/ using different labels.

                  “It also fixes my posture automatically, the body just aligns itself to let the energy pass.”

                  Yes! Combined with stretching work for the mechanical problems caused by tight/wound fascia, the up-energy solves all posture problems automatically.

                  “I also tried it before meditation and got that jhana bliss while doing it, but my left shoulder started hurting like hell, I’ll work on it for a couple days and hopefully relieve the pain.”

                  Get some work done on that shoulder. Also, you will need to learn your own stretching routine for your own personal daily habits (e.g. computer use or whatever). That shoulder tightness could easily be coming up from the left leg. When I stretch, my hips, pelvis, and inside my torso itself are more important for release my shoulders than working on the arms is. Computer use causes a “band” of fascia to form from ankle all the way up to shoulder to help support the computer pose. This requires stretching out each day.

                  • Vick says:

                    ” Also, you will need to learn your own stretching routine for your own personal daily habits ”

                    I tried to avoid stretching and was hoping energy work would solve everything, but I would clear blocks and they would come back after a few days with more lax energy work.

                    I was never flexible, even as a kid it was bad. Now if I bend over with my legs straight i can reach only half way through the shins and even spreading my arms sideways feels like a stretch (I was sitting at work on a bench leaning forward for 5-6 hours a day for a month).

                    Anyway, I started stretching somewhat consistently for the last couple weeks, had a foggy mind today and tried energy work on the neck, didn’t go anywhere after half an hour.
                    So I stretched my arms and shoulders, after a couple minutes the fog was gone.

                    Seems like meditation is almost pointless with severe blocks, especially in the neck and shoulders.
                    First of all you have a foggy mind and space out, then theres the muscle pain during meditation and I sometimes end up in weird positions because the muscles are pulling. Just an uphill battle.

                    So if anyone has these symptoms: mind fog, low energy, muscle pain during meditation, shaking (probably), pulling of certain muscles. The solution is stretching and energy work.

                    Captain obvious out.

                    • Illuminatus says:

                      Well done for figuring it out.

                      “I was never flexible, even as a kid it was bad. Now if I bend over with my legs straight i can reach only half way through the shins and even spreading my arms sideways feels like a stretch (I was sitting at work on a bench leaning forward for 5-6 hours a day for a month).”

                      I only figured out the last couple of days that the real reason for my inflexibility is that some of my muscles have become fibrotic. When they are asked to support a certain position for so long they are being asked to act as a strap and become fibrotic to comply. These hard fibres then prevent nerves, muscles etc. from moving around them fluidly in the body as they are so static. I believe that if you exercise and hear lots of little clicks and snaps then that is some of those fibres breaking (which tends to give an instant release feeling and recovery of range of movement).

                      Anyway, don’t take the above too seriously yet. I need to do a lot more research to corroborate it. I found these fibres via resistance to yawning. So, if you do a deep yawn starting right at the base of the spine then that might revealing fibrotic tissues in that area and the rest of the body. These locations certainly correlate with computer use — e.g. I have tended in the past to tense up my left calf to support my body weight (a bad habit I’ve largely removed). I felt an abundance of these fibres in that calf, and that is where massage therapists have told me in the past I have “scar tissue” (I just don’t think these things are all that well understood and similar conditions will get put into different words depending who you ask).

                      “I tried to avoid stretching and was hoping energy work would solve everything, but I would clear blocks and they would come back after a few days with more lax energy work.”

                      Well let’s separate physical (mechanical) blocks from emotional blocks. Mechanical blocks are caused by things like fibrosis as discussed above and won’t go away from energy work — you need to keep up the yoga and stretching work, and probably even get some manual therapy done on problem areas. Those fibres will stop certain muscles responding or expanding correctly so it’s worth doing (Thomas Myers says that chronically depressed people have very distinctly shaped abdomens, pulled into that shape through ongoing contractive emotional response).

                      Emotional blocks, of the sort that energy work targets, are (in my opinion) more to do with some neurons just not turning on. So, Circuit A can suppress Circuit B (e.g. to maintain, say, a depressed state, with the pleasure circuit suppressed, as an example). The pleasure circuit tends to make the spine erect and the person generally become more open and outward-facing. Energy work can turn that circuit on. Especially when first starting out, that feels like a battle, since energy is being sent into two opposing circuits (one involuntarily, e.g. depressed state, and the other intentionally via energy work, e.g. the pleasure circuit). This is where the sensation of a “block” occurs. The block “clears” when one circuit “wins” (and, if it is the pleasure circuit that wins, instant jhana is a known phenomenon).

                      When you address both mechanical and energy blocks, you are doing yoga. 🙂
                      Round off the session with concentration meditation whenever possible. It is infinitely easier after such work.

                    • Illuminatus says:

                      Scratch my “fibrotic muscles” theory — some more research has ruled that out. Back to “fascia wrapped around nerves” which is a lot more workable.

  4. Nick says:

    Wow your answers to questions are so informative. Really interested in your mentioning of Reichian bodywork. If you do a search on Youtube for Command Z,you will find lots of demonstrations of exercises. The face stretching is very potent. It makes me feel more present. The exercise Atlas Shrugged, really cuts through tensions. Apparently systemised bodywork should be started from the head, and slowly work downwards. Doing the reverse can be uncomfortable. Looking forwards to your next post..

    • Illuminatus says:

      Thanks for the tip. Yes, fascia stretching can help a variety of situations. When I was playing around with fascial release (don’t bother with this) I found face work would have a profound effect on my mood. I can generate bliss states in my brain now from jhana so don’t need these things so much for mood.

      “Apparently systemised bodywork should be started from the head, and slowly work downwards. Doing the reverse can be uncomfortable.”

      Depends what you’re doing it for. If I have a tight neck or shoulders from sitting on the computer all day, the first thing I will need to stretch is my legs and pelvis because that’s where the major problem is. I tend to work through in order of major tightness, and I can figure this out using mindfulness and proprioception (though this took some time to develop).

  5. Nick says:

    From what I understand Reichan bodywork is a complete system for achieving enlightenment. They use the body rather than more cerebral methods. I’m far from being an expert. But from what I understand the Reichians perceive the problem to be that faulty programming is stored in the musculature of the body. This constrains the free flow of energy. They recommend commencing work on the face and head, because the trapped energies in the lower body, can be overwhelming when worked upon without releasing the upper body. Reminiscent of the warnings regarding kundalini work.
    Alexander Lowen, one of Reichs disciples who went his own way, writes very well on this subject. There is a free pdf on this bodywork method written by Jack Willis, who also worked with Reich. Willis urges caution when working alone.www.markfoster.net/struc/Reich_Home_Book.pdf
    The more I read and study in this area, the more that I realise that awareness is the key. Concentration meditation gives you the time to notice what is happening before automatic conditioning ‘kicks in’.

    • Illuminatus says:

      Ah, fair enough. I misread and did not see the word “systemized”.

      The method you described sounds very similar to kundalini. As I have said a few times in this thread, I believe all “work” points to the same end goal and the different systems just come at it from different angles, in this case very much the physical side. Of course there are direct mental-emotional correlates with every physical element so you are always working with both whatever system you use (e.g. concentration meditation will make the spine become very erect when the rapture of jhana begins).

  6. James says:

    “All yoga, is getting the energy to flow up the spine” – Sadhguru

  7. Vysotsky says:

    Have the other meditation methods (i.e. concentration, insight and actualism) similar dangers like the kundalini? I think of the hardly manageable stuff (e.g. physical symptoms, panic attack), not the little bad mood.

    • Illuminatus says:

      Insight meditation is to do with revealing the true nature of reality (impermanent, no-self, unsatisfactoriness) via specific meditations designed to reveal that to you. This is like a systematic deconstruction of the ego, which can throw up all kinds of insane shit. E.g. during insight meditation you might begin to perceive that even your body itself just consists of impermanent sensations which come and go very rapidly — there is no solid, durable matter there. The ego cannot cope with this and can throw up very disturbing visuals or sense impressions of your whole body just rotting away. I’ve perceived myself as just a skeleton (and then dust) while doing insight many times. That phase is called “Fear” in vipassana. There are several “dukkha” (suffering) phases in vipassana and together they make up something that is being called “the Dark Night” in various Western meditation circles, mainly, it seems, due to Daniel Ingram’s book: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/mastering-the-core-teachings-of-the-buddha/
      This seems like a particularly harsh insight path, however. I did Shinzen Young’s insight meditation (http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/the-science-of-enlightenment/) for 5 years before that and even though it is kinder I still got very dark results at times.
      I have only tried those 2 forms of insight so can only comment on them: both were harsh, so I think “insight is harsh”.

      Concentration meditation is not about deconstructing reality. In fact, it is the opposite — bringing energy and focus to thoughtforms to make them stronger. Consequently you can do amazing things regarding making thoughts or experiences stronger, e.g. creating the greatest, most powerful bliss you have ever known. Also, you can bring so much attention and focus to the breath that other thoughtforms (e.g. anxiety) no longer get “fuelled” and start to drop away. The danger with concentration meditation is that at times certain thoughtforms you don’t want, or don’t expect to see, get fuelled up to such an extent that they take on a life of their own and at that point can become indistinguishable from reality. E.g. one time I was doing some magick using concentration meditation and a demon appeared, and it was completely 3D and just as real-looking if not more so than anything in “this” reality. Luckily the demon was static and did not move. I had to shake my head to come out of that trance. It has been known for people to get fully animated, automated demons or angels or other beings during concentration meditation which appear to completely have an existence of their own. However, generally, it takes quite a lot of skill to create a mental object of such realness so it is unlikely to happen to a casual beginner. During my demon appearance, it was while I was doing something I shouldn’t have been with magick (I won’t say what) so the appearance of the demon taught me a lesson. So long as my intents have been pure I have not had such a thing since.

      The benefit of having a lot of experience in insight is that you can choose not to take too seriously the visions etc. that may appear during concentration meditation. E.g. I have been to hell realms using kundalini-plus-concentration and they didn’t bother me because insight meditation means I maintain a high degree of detachment.

      Anyway, these are quite high-level problems. I would not want to dissuade anyone from completely eliminating their anxieties and cultivating profoundly happy states using concentration meditation just because something bad “might” happen. There are risks in meditation but there are risks in every walk of life — e.g. every time you get in a car, or cross a road, or whatever. It’s a calculated risk.

      • Illuminatus says:

        Oh, I missed Actualism from the list. I don’t have enough experience in it yet. I mainly used it to “recover” from bad shit that happened e.g. in insight and kundalini. Actualism is really, REALLY nice. I could live like that forever, probably. However it makes me very satisfied with what I have right now. It made me lose the desire to grow. I think Actualism is the sort of thing people should probably do when they have their lives how they want them, when they just want to settle into the groove of life.

        Daniel Ingram wrote about his Actualism “Dark Night” which involved his sense of time severely disappearing. So he would have to make long lists of things to do that ordinarily he would be able to remember. That is symbolic of a switch to the right brain, in my opinion — it is not concerned with time or tasks, which are kind of the definitive left-brain parameters. I personally can attest that, in Actualism, I would be happy just to stand in some woods for hours if time allowed it.

      • Vysotsky says:

        Thanks for the advice!

        The reason I’m more careful is that once I tried out the “Autogenic Training” (it’s a direct relaxation technique) and during this, I felt an unpleasant pressure around my heart then I became very dizzy, thus I stopped the experiment.
        Is this possible during meditation, too?

        • Illuminatus says:

          Yes. I recently replied to a woman who wrote to me saying she felt disturbing wave sensations throughout her body, and a heavily “drugged” feeling following jhana. My advice was that it was probably her technique causing this, and she should track exactly what she does and the results that happen till she finds the right method for her.

          With all these practices you are in fact injecting conscious awareness into what were previously completely automatic processes. This can have some wacky effects on the body from time to time. “Pressure” in various areas of the body are common.

          If you want my honest opinion on what happened to you here, I will give it. But remember this is just an initial educated guess, based on my own past experiences. I think you began to have the start of a relaxation response — vagus nerve turning on, which connects to the heart. You perceived this change as something wrong with the heart and it triggered a mild panic attack (which caused the dizziness). If what I said is true, then you should persist with the practice under the assumption you are about to make a breakthrough, and ignore panic symptoms.

          However, if you suspect something else is wrong, seeing a doctor is always high on the list.

  8. Moviestar says:

    I would recommend ayahuasca. You can solve a lot of these issues in one very intense night. Imagine LSD + heavy physical work on the body and its emotions.

  9. Vick says:

    “I only figured out the last couple of days that the real reason for my inflexibility is that some of my muscles have become fibrotic. When they are asked to support a certain position for so long they are being asked to act as a strap and become fibrotic to comply.”
    From my experience it true the muscles tense up to support certain (wrong) positions.

    Looks like there are two causes, first one is the muscles staying tense for long periods of time to support the position and gets “stuck”.
    Second look like muscle tension to mask pain, I mention intense shoulder pain earlier, it actually started after doing the up stream for a few hours at work and getting the muscles to finally relax, and it revealed pain, I removed the pain within a couple days of energy work, but again due to the horrible sitting position I messed up the left side of my neck again, which lifts the shoulder up, but theres no longer pain. I have the same thing on the right side of my back.

    It’s funny I have the same thing on the right claf right now but I almost cleared it.
    Yesterday I had a day off and after a bad meditation session I did stretching and energy work for an hour or so, then I did energy work exclusively on my legs and pelvis for I think around 2-3 hours before bed (because of what you wrote about the that area helping with shoulder and arm tension).
    I cleared almost all the blocks, the left thigh and right ankle\claf are just a bit tight but I’ll probably clear the rest out today.
    I felt A LOT of spasms (idk if its the right word for it, the muscles are basically moving and pulsing etc) with the regular burning sensation but slowly the muscles relaxed and the blocks were cleared. I actually felt them all throughout the body and even the head and face, just from working on the legs.

    “Scratch my “fibrotic muscles” theory — some more research has ruled that out. Back to “fascia wrapped around nerves” which is a lot more workable.”
    I don’t really bother with naming those kinds of things because I don’t see the point, I just do whatever works.

    “Well let’s separate physical (mechanical) blocks from emotional blocks.”
    In my experience you can clear mechanical blocks with energy work as well, (I did it yesterday as you can see), but stretching is still necessary because it just relaxes the muscles (permanently until I fuck them up again).
    I also fix my right shoulder and it hadn’t bothered me in a while, and it used the be bad, I mean I would lie down and couldn’t relax it at all.
    I subscribe to the “physical body is the manifestation of the astral”, so IMO and experience energy work with intent can fix anything from emotional blocks (you experience the emotions in the astral body) to just normal aches and disease (fixed knee pain caused by heavy squats and deadlifts).
    I actually don’t think I have many emotional blocks anymore, haven’t felt depressed since I resolved not to (five months now), don’t have “traumatizing” memories surfacing during meditation or when I clear energy blocks. Looks like my depression was mostly caused to eating shit ton of meat and feeling lethargic (big one), letting my mind run wild and bad energy flow.

    ” The block “clears” when one circuit “wins” (and, if it is the pleasure circuit that wins, instant jhana is a known phenomenon).”
    Yeah I usually get a light jhana bliss from energy work, my only problem with it is consistency.

    • Vick says:

      Also because I was constantly chasing the red pill, started with pickup and ended with wtf am I doing here :D.
      Read anything from Jed Mckena to the earth and human souls are held hostage and harvested for energy by aliens, and finally I believe I reached the “truth”, reincarnation and evolution of souls etc. It doesn’t even matter if it’s true, whatever gets me to meditate gaining control over my thoughts and emotions.

      Or did I obsess with it because I was depressed?
      Either way, turned out alright.

    • Vick says:

      Just to clarify the permanent thingy, the block is cleared and there’s no pain or tension, but the muscle is still short which leads to bad posture which leads to the block forming again.

  10. Ben says:

    This is crazy, for quite some time I’ve been skeptical of my sanity after this experience. I’ve taken LSD several times and all of which I’ve seen that toroid. It was pulsing and vibrating and i felt as though it was behind the nature of everything. I also felt as though my stream of thought and my actions were produced by it and they carried the same cyclical traits of that toroid. At a point in my first trip a beam of golden light shot up through my Kundalini and burst out the top of my head and created a toroid around my body that rippled outwards, and i remember saying “wow, thats fucked up.” I’ve seen it every trip since and i always have the same feeling and it gives me a sense my reality is artificial or simulated almost like a video game. It’s unsettling to say the least but i also felt I’ve lived my entire life or “script” all the way until my death several times over during this experience (I’m 19 so I’ve still got a while to go). It’s interesting others have had similar experiences and I’d love to hear more about the topic.

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