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Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« on: October 16, 2012, 02:12:47 PM »
This was the final thing I figured out which connected all the dots and made permanent good posture a reality for me.

All you do is tell your stomach muscle to relax. It will stick out a bit.

I found that I had a lot of tension in my stomach muscle area and it was causing my entire body to tense and contract, meaning that good posture was still largely a conscious affair, and I still had pain sometimes from the force required to fight that tension (I was not aware at the time that the stomach muscle area was the culprit, so I was fighting myself without realizing it). I also found that the stomach muscle became a LOT more tense around crowds of people. By commanding my stomach muscle area to relax at all times, especially while out and about around other people, I found that not only did posture correct itself automatically, but my emotions also relaxed entirely. In fact, I went out on Friday and was so relaxed I got drunk as a skunk just off a few beers, and had a sloppy smile on my face the whole night.

For me, this was one of my most important realizations so far, but everyone's different so you'll just have to try it out to see if it makes a difference for you.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2012, 04:52:08 PM »
stomach pain is something that has accured throughout my life understress, so im going to be trying this.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 02:50:53 AM »
I've tried this when you've mentioned it in the past. I saw some results but the biggest thing I noticed is that my belly suddenly really protruded. As if I had a big beer belly. I was not sure if I was doing it correctly and stopped.

One thing it did do was make me want to take a dump shortly after relaxing the muscles.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 02:05:42 PM »
I've tried this when you've mentioned it in the past. I saw some results but the biggest thing I noticed is that my belly suddenly really protruded. As if I had a big beer belly. I was not sure if I was doing it correctly and stopped.

One thing it did do was make me want to take a dump shortly after relaxing the muscles.

I take these as signs I'm on the right track.

A spontaneous return of good bowel function is a good thing in my eyes. It made me really consider the phrase "You're full of shit" as having some emotional/bodily connection (as most language does). E.g. you're tense, you're retentive.

Secondly, the protrusion occurred most prominently when "forcibly" relaxing, which only relaxed one main muscle. What I did then was to "scan" the surrounding muscles and have them relax also. This put the whole abdomen area into a more balanced state and the protrusion was not so pronounced.

Finally, since losing a fair bit of weight, the protrusion is no longer noticeable, for me. If I lift up my shirt, my belly still looks flat.

There is absolutely no way I'm stopping relaxing the stomach area, because the benefits are so high that it is quite clearly the right thing for me to be doing.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 08:29:26 PM »
not beer belly, buddha belly ;p... this is how the stomach should be, relaxed and expanded, not tense and tight, just as the rest of the body should be, this tension is the enemy of flow, and flow is the key to the good life.

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A spontaneous return of good bowel function is a good thing in my eyes. It made me really consider the phrase "You're full of shit" as having some emotional/bodily connection (as most language does). E.g. you're tense, you're retentive.

Secondly, the protrusion occurred most prominently when "forcibly" relaxing, which only relaxed one main muscle. What I did then was to "scan" the surrounding muscles and have them relax also. This put the whole abdomen area into a more balanced state and the protrusion was not so pronounced.

this can be one of the hardest of the "body armors" or chronic muscular tensions to release, as many of us have been holding on to it since we were very young. Freud even had a psycho-sexual stage of development revolving around it, he termed "anal-retentive", the infant through a need to have control (typically out of fear, spurred on by lack of affection from the mother) starts holding in or retaining his feces (this being one of the few things it can control), which gives it a pleasurable feeling. Over time these muscles lock in, and as one grows older the clenching of them (most of the time unconscious) is linked up to a need to control things.. You might notice that you get very "uptight" when things start getting out of your control and your stomach and groin area tighten up, which naturally inhibits proper and healthy bowel movements.. Not sure if Freud's explanation applies to everyone, but I know that a lot of people have these complexes of tightened muscles in there stomach and groin areas (along with the rest of their bodies) that are very hard to get back to a relaxed state. Consciously focused relaxation of the area is a good way to loosen them over time, another way is full deep breathing all the way down to your groin and anus, it's like diaphragm breathing but deeper down. As you inhale (make sure your mouth and throat is open wide) you open up everything from the neck down essentially, so feel the diaphragm expand, then the the groin and pelvis (opening this is basically doing the opposite of kegal exercises) and finally open the anus (make sure you don't have to poop;p).. this is a full breath.. most ppls breathing is incredibly shallow (mine still is), where we only breath into the chest or very slightly with the diaphragm, this a defence mechanism to prevent feeling emotions in their full form. You may find it very hard and unnatural to breath like this at first, so i suggest you get some weed (or mushrooms) and try it out stoned, the weed seems to relax the body so you can breath fully and easily, which in turn will show you what it feels like to breath correctly. Over time, as you breath like this you start unfreezing the crystallised muscles and retrain them into a more relaxed, flow accommodating state. Now obviously the more time you spend doing this the faster progress you'll make, but i've found that just doing it through out the day whenever i remember, has had a drastic effect on the way i breath, and process emotions.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2012, 08:37:23 PM by xenization »

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 09:08:31 PM »
Awesome explanation xen

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 09:11:52 PM »
also, when I meditate and just let my body do what it wants, I push my stomach in and out rapidly, as well as breathing really really deep and all the way out, moving my stomach very strongly with my breath.



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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2012, 09:18:57 PM »
One thing is for sure: any remaining anxiety I might have had evaporates entirely while doing this.

I have an update today which ties into xen's description of the breathing, which I just read now after basically figuring it out on my own earlier today. My idea is the stomach area should relax and expand outwards as we are describing while inhaling. I then believe it should contract/tense/come inward a little while exhaling. So it should all work together to form the natural, body-wide, in-out contraction and relaxation of breathing.

I walked around just allowing this to happen today, and found it relaxed me very quickly. Soon, my breath felt like it was going all the way down on the inhale -- as though it were reaching places long forgotten and "filling them up". The world took on a nice glow and I found it very easy to be present.

Out of everything I ever wrote, this one little thing is definitely in my top five most important list.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2012, 09:45:20 PM »
It's having quite an effect on me. It's really relaxing my body as well as my thoughts and outward personality. Everything I do is just a little smoother than normal.

I think I was a severe stomach tightener. It's going to take a lot of conscious work to get used to this.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2012, 09:48:15 PM »
I get the same thing often while meditating, i believe meditation allows the body to slowly go back to it's natural state over time, so if you just let breathing happen as it happens while meditating, your body will start it's journey back to homoeostasis and lack of chronic muscular tension, unfortunately this takes a lot of meditation and a lot of time, so this deep breathing is kind of a hack to speed the process along, by stretching out the tightened muscles, yoga works on similar lines.

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just let my body do what it wants, I push my stomach in and out rapidly

actually after a few months of doing this deep breathing fairly consistently, i've noticed that this rapid diaphragm breathing is my bodies natural answer to anxiety, if i just let the body process the anxious energy as it wants i'll either laugh, or do this diaphragmic panting, which quickly dissipates the anxiety and feels pretty nice. It's all a matter of getting out of my bodies way, and letting it handle the processing of emotions.

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My idea is the stomach area should relax and expand outwards as we are describing while inhaling. I then believe it should contract/tense/come inward a little while exhaling. So it should all work together to form the natural, body-wide, in-out contraction and relaxation of breathing.

bingo, it's all about the expanding, contracting relationship. this is the yang and yin of the breathing cycle, the Tao of breathing.

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as though it were reaching places long forgotten and "filling them up".

yep, "filling them up" is a great way to describe it.. when you first start doing this, it feels like your stretching parts of your body, you forgot existed.

Just a side note, as you keep doing this pelvic breathing, watch how it starts effects your sex life, my orgasm have become "fuller" and reach further into my body.. and i just started this stuff... Wilhelm Reich, talks about how most of western society is not having "full orgasms" because of body armouring... i tend to believe him, and look forward to releasing more tension in my groin haha

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2012, 05:28:58 AM »
Anybody else still having amazing results with this? My entire demeanor and mood has changed. Digestion is solid. Very unreactive. Just a much smoother person socially. People, especially girls, are way more drawn to me. Everything is very relaxed.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2012, 01:42:55 PM »
Anybody else still having amazing results with this? My entire demeanor and mood has changed. Digestion is solid. Very unreactive. Just a much smoother person socially. People, especially girls, are way more drawn to me. Everything is very relaxed.

I first knew it was the real deal when I realized I no longer had to consciously manage any other part of my posture for it to be great. Relaxing the stomach just let everything pop back into place.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2012, 03:16:28 PM »
This is amazing.

I've been walking around town, going to the gym etc., forcibly relaxing my stomach the whole time, for over a week now.

TRE tremors in the stomach area have increased one hundred fold. Now, when I lie in bed, I will get TRE tremors in my stomach immediately, and they will last for around 10 minutes. I just let them happen.

The following day, there is always less tension in the stomach. I do not need to "force" the relaxation so much. And my posture is becoming more relaxed and fluid every day as a result.

This is definitely one of the "keys".

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2012, 05:19:51 PM »
For me, relaxing my stomach, every, single time, causes pain.


Going to be a long journy with my tummy on this one, glad I get to take it those.


Nice find Ed, insipiring and helpful as always.

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Re: Posture: Relax your stomach muscle
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2012, 05:35:21 PM »
Yeah for me too. Feels like something gets streched a bit too much. My stomach or something...


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