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Jase07

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I'm doing a lot of stuff towards overcoming a pretty persistent case of depression, which for some time there I was labelling this social anxiety, but now I see it's really just a consistent lower than "normal" mood, which is has been problem, making it hard to really enjoy connecting with people and feeling motivated to socialize regularly.

So this year I've already made a lot of progress, just working on my lifestyle, which lately has included a lot of work on correcting my diet (I'm now doing nutritional ketosis as of 4 weeks +) and going to the gym/exercising regularly.

I know a big part of being in a depression, especially in my case, relates to lack of quality social interactions, and consistent regular social interaction. I come from a background of emotionally dysfunctional parents, so even when I did have lots of good friendships in my life (which I currently don't - and haven't for quite some time) I have always had this background negativity, and feeling of a lack of support in my life.

Needless to say, it's something I'd like to overcome at ALL costs. In the past, I've always been quick to judge drugs as a "band-aid" solution, and not dealing with the root causes (beliefs, past traumas, etc) but now I have more of the opinion that if drugs can help me to begin thinking differently, then that might help me to "lock in" some of these new attitudes, ways of feeling, etc... Having more regular experiences of very heightened positive emotion, and socialisation has to have a pretty good impact I think (as long as the side effects, or come downs don't reverse those benefits)

These days, I'm pretty willing to experiment with many different paths, as I just don't want to spend my life being less happy and at peace than I could be, just because of my beliefs about what the "right" ways to improve are.

Does anyone here have any experience overcoming something like this, and specifically using drugs to help make the transition in how they regularly feel?

I've just ordered some Phenibut, I'm going to experiment with that first.

I'm also looking at GHB (which here in the UK would mean getting it via GBL) which according to an article I just read at goodlookingloser.com: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2012/12/23/ghb-antidepressant/ could have a LOT of potential, especially compared to the traditional, and mainstream anti-depressants (which TBH I'm still very close minded about even trying)

Any help/advice appreciated.

Thanks guys




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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2013, 10:24:03 AM »
any advice from anyone?

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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2013, 08:01:26 PM »
You need to be aware that the drugs will not cure the depression. Anyway, while under the influence, try to gain insight into your situation from this new perspective. Look for things that are not bothering you anymore, and ask yourself why they bothered you in the first place, and why they aren't bothering you anymore. Also look for what is suddenly pleasant, and ask yourself why you normally don't find it as pleasant. You don't even need to come up with answers, just this process of investigation is enough. Don't settle for the easy and obvious "answer" to these questions: "Becuase I'm now on phenibut and normally I'm not"

And before you think about ADDING things.. drugs.. medicine.. diet.. give a thought to what things you can DROP that would potentially increase your wellbeing.

I think all guys who come on here asking for help should really first look into their porn/masturbation habits before attempting to tackle any social anxiety, approach anxiety, depression and whatnot. Try going atleast 3 weeks without masturbation and porn and note the effects.

This is something I have suspected for a long time to bee one of the biggest contributors to my general dissatisfaction with life. I have tried many times in the past to ditch this habit, and failed miserably, but now that I have been on a pretty long streak I'm loving the other side, and I have absolutely zero desire to return to porn and fapping ever again.

The following is just my brief experience of nofap, but it's all I have to share. Problems just start to melt away. What required loads of effort is now done with more ease and grace. When it comes to "approach anxiety" my experience has been like, wtf, where did it go? What was it? It is simply non existant anymore. And now there is instead in it's place a NATURAL desire to socialize with females. Emphasis on natural, because I didn't add anything, simply dropped a habit. Actually not only females. Desire for socializing has increased on all fronts. With family, friends, etc. Depression is not completely gone, but vastly reduced. Higher energy levels. Increased creativity. Deeper and clearer voice. Easier to communicate. More pleasant meditations. The best part is that I feel that there is so much more waiting to come out of it. I have only began scratching the surface. This comes with a feeling of great anticipation and curiousity towards life.I could go on and on actually. But It doesn't matter - one has to take a bite of the fruit himself to know the taste. I can perhaps spark your curiosity.

This might have been posted somewhere here already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

"Gary Wilson asks whether our brains evolved to handle the hyperstimulation of today's Internet enticements. He also discusses the disturbing symptoms showing up in some heavy Internet users, the surprising reversal of those symptoms, and the science behind these 21st century phenomena."


Now I just assume you are a guy like everyone else. Lots of computer, lots of internet, occasional fap now and then.

But you said you are willing to experiment. So challenge yourself and see if what I, and a fuckload of others say has any truth to it. There is only one way to find out.

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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2013, 11:07:56 PM »
Thank you cypher for your thoughtful and intelligent reply. I do believe a lot of what you say has a lot of merit. For me personally, not watching porn or masturbating has not been such a profound influence on my life, but I can definitely see some anti-depressant type feelings/benefits from giving it up.

I don't really ever watch porn at all anymore (have like once in the past 2 months), and I pretty much gave up masturbating at the same time, though I don't necessarily think there's anything terrible about a wank here and there (still wouldn't do it more than once a week these days, if that), but like anything else it's the mentality behind it that really matters. Seeking positive emotion and escape by watching porn, I think that's the real problem, and it's a similar process with many things in this modern society (the internet in general has that aspect)

Funnily enough, after making a commitment to give up porn/wanking, I started seeing a girl, and now have regular sex (1-3X per week) not looking for a girlfriend, so trying to keep it fairly light and not see each other more than 1-2 times per week, but yeah  it's a good thing, and funny out that correlates in timing in regards to giving up the porn, etc.

Regarding drugs, I know they are not going to get rid of my depression, I don't expect that. I know that I've got some work to do on some pretty habitual patterns of attitude, and negative perceptions, and this may take some work still (though I'm now making pretty good progress since making many lifestyle shifts, getting laid, etc)

I do however think that a couple of really good "highs" a week mixed with some positive social interactions, with higher degrees of social freedom than normal, would do a LOT to increase my levels of motivation, allow me to lighten up about the "hard days" a bit, and give me some great insights into what's working and not working in terms of being happy and at peace in my normal day to day life.

Basically I'm experimenting here, it's an adventure of sorts :)

So really just posted this because I was curious to see what others had found, from similar explorations.

Thanks again for your reply.

Cheers
« Last Edit: April 03, 2013, 11:11:37 PM by Jase07 »

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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 10:29:53 AM »
I don't want to go all yogic preacher now, but it's not just the porn. The ejaculation itself drains your energy. This has been the truth for me no matter how much I would like it to be otherwise. Weekly ejaculations, 1-3 a week, will leave ME drained and exhausted. I understand that this issue might not be that big for everyone. But the truth is that most people don't even know there is this "other side" because they have been frequently ejaculating since they were 12. It takes time and dedication to begin to see the effects. 90 days is the minimum and fair amount to try before one disregards it as not working.

But fuck man, you have a gf now so I guess this would be impossible for you to test. Would be a different scenario if you were also masturbating at home, but you say you are not.

I think the reason nobody replied in the first place is because you describe your situation very vaguely and basically don't ask any REAL questions (about your depression).. I can relate so well with the knowing that lack of social interaction is fueling my depression. I am the same guy. I'm a lone wolf and pretty much have been since I was a kid and I am ok with it, I don't expect to be some kind of ridiculously extroverted social juggernaut nor do I want to. But even a small amount of social interaction is incredibly important. Too much makes me tired and exhausted. I have not yet found a good balance here. Right now I'm so focused on my goals (mainly thx to nofap) that I don't have time to socialize that much.

I can just share some things which have helped me with depression:
Meditation (this is the biggest one, but results don't come instantly, just commit to daily practice)
Journaling  (writing out your thoughts, getting CLEAR about wtf your depression really is)
Spend more time in nature (I don't understand why this helps, but it just does)

These simple tools are so easily available to us that they are often dismissed. We look for advanced solutions and completely overlook the basics.

Let me tell you what doesn't help with my depression:

Reading forums and sites on how to fix depression
Watching videos how to fix depression
Sitting in my room for extended periods of time


While others can give you advice.. You have to ultimately take these questions about depression to the one and only authority, yourself. You hurt yourself by thinking others have better insight into how to fix your situation than you have. You might even already know what you must do, but you repress it and act like you don't know. But the cognitive dissonance manifests and shows you are full of lies. This was my case for very long.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 10:34:54 AM by cypher »

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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 11:45:02 AM »
Thank you again cypher!

You actually have no idea how helpful you've been by what you've said. Even though fapping, and internet porn aren't that big an issue for me, and hardly the reason for the way I've been feeling, after watching that video (great vid by the way, thanks) and thinking about my situation, it's become pretty clear to me what a large part of the problem is.

See, I work from home, own a couple of internet businesses, which means I'm on the computer/internet a LOT. I now recognize that I've been basically living the lifestyle of a workaholic, which by itself is bad enough, but coupled with long periods of isolation, sitting in a room AND being on the ever possibly impulsive internet for much of that time (while I do spend a large amount of that time working - my work approach could be far more organized, less scattered and less obsessive - AND I could find ways to automate/outsource things to get me off the computer and outside in the real world, which I'll be doing now I'm aware).

Obviously I've been doing this for a reason, to escape certain things in my life that I just didn't feel big enough to handle at the time (largely around social comfort). But this has become a terrible pattern for me. Amazingly, it's taken me this long to truly see how much of a problem this was for me.... talk about self deception... WOW.

So, I've now got the task of redesigning my lifestyle in a way that I can still increase my business/income to meet my goals, but also, and more importantly, in a way that's going to allow to make some very healthy, and very necessary changes to my lifestyle, which will mainly be breaking my obvious addiction to working/being on the computer and internet, and replacing it with outdoor/social activities as much as possible.

I don't expect to be able to do this immediately, but this awareness is a big breakthrough for me. I was banging my head against the wall there for a while, and I'm really amazed at how I made this so difficult for myself... WTF?? :D

Just to let you know, I've already started meditating pretty consistently now ,1-2 times per day, for the last week, and scattered attempts quite regularly here and there in the month or so before that, so I'm really just trying to make that a big habit, along with other healthy lifestyle things that are now pretty much habits, going to the gym at 6:30-7am 4-5 days per week, for example.

Getting out in nature is definitely something I need to do more of. Socializing is the big one for me though, and the one I seem to notice the most positive effect from when I push through the bad habits of avoidance and not getting out there that I've built up. So that one is one of the biggest things that I'll need to continue to work at.

Anyway, till I start to make some of these changes and can report back, I'll leave it there for now. Thanks again cypher, you somewhat unwittingly showed me things about myself and how I have been living,  that I just kept blocking out. I really appreciate that man.

Cheers,

Nick

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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 02:04:10 PM »
Thanks again cypher, you somewhat unwittingly showed me things about myself and how I have been living,  that I just kept blocking out. I really appreciate that man.

That's all I can do bro, rest is in your hands. Thanks for listening.

We seem to be in a similar situation. I also work from home with internet stuff. This NoFap thing has given me shitloads of energy and motivation to pursue projects, I really feel like I have found the missing ingredient I was looking for for quite some time. When you really commit to nofap, all that sexual energy has no choice but to flow into creative ventures.

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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2013, 05:00:30 AM »
Thank you again cypher!



See, I work from home, own a couple of internet businesses, which means I'm on the computer/internet a LOT. I now recognize that I've been basically living the lifestyle of a workaholic, which by itself is bad enough, but coupled with long periods of isolation, sitting in a room AND being on the ever possibly impulsive internet for much of that time (while I do spend a large amount of that time working - my work approach could be far more organized, less scattered and less obsessive - AND I could find ways to automate/outsource things to get me off the computer and outside in the real world, which I'll be doing now I'm aware).


Getting out in nature is definitely something I need to do more of. Socializing is the big one for me though, and the one I seem to notice the most positive effect from when I push through the bad habits of avoidance and not getting out there that I've built up. So that one is one of the biggest things that I'll need to continue to work at.


I've noticed that good socialization is probably the best anti-depressant out there- happy people make you feel happy (mirror neurons).

I'm not sure if it's really your scene, but clubbing/barhopping is a really easy way to get your socializing needs met- tons of people, all looking to have a good time. If you go once or twice a week, it may improve your mood.

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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2013, 06:30:13 PM »
Thanks guys, I just got my Phenibut in the mail, so going to do some "testing" with that tomorrow. Pretty excited to see what it can do :) as much as I know it's not a cure all

I'll post back here with my experience.

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Re: Using drugs to help overcome a long case of moderate depression?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2017, 04:11:36 PM »
R-Isomer Ketamine for an immediate stop gap relief to long term and/or treatment resistant depression, it is not a cure however.

Oh and don't touch marijuana.


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