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Illuminatus

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Re: Your Basic Guide to Lifting Depression
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2011, 12:43:43 PM »
P.S. You sound very excuse-orientated in your post: "it is nearly impossible to accomplish those steps daily or in a good way" blah blah. This kind of defeatism is the FIRST thing that needs to go. And there's no "technique" for that -- just stop saying it!

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Re: Your Basic Guide to Lifting Depression
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2011, 12:12:26 AM »
P.S. You sound very excuse-orientated in your post: "it is nearly impossible to accomplish those steps daily or in a good way" blah blah. This kind of defeatism is the FIRST thing that needs to go. And there's no "technique" for that -- just stop saying it!

Good observation - I know  :(, will try hard to get red of negative thoughts ( defeatism ). Will do the presence walks <-- Thanks for the reminder and how to do the presence walks.

looking forward to your book.

Thanks

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Re: Your Basic Guide to Lifting Depression
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2011, 01:01:33 AM »
"the gap between one's potential and its actualization on one side of the ledger, and the distortion of this authenticity on the other, becomes apparent. 'Shouldism' rears its ugly head. We 'should' eliminate, disown, repress, negate many features and sources of genuineness and add, pretend, play at, develop roles...resulting in phony behavior of different degrees. Instead of the wholeness of a real person, we have the fragmentation, the conflicts, the unfelt despair of the paper people."
      ***"homeostasis, the subtle mechanism of the self-regulating and self-controlling organism, is replaced by an external, superimposed control-madness undermining the survival value of the person and the species. Psychosomatic symptoms, despondency, lassitude, and compulsive behavior replaces the...[authentic self]."

-fritz perls "in and out of the garbage pail"

just started reading it and it's quite good. What I took from these two paragraphs is that he's saying that trying to "erase negative thoughts" like you mentioned in your previous post does more harm than good and results in a person who is cut off from his or her true emotions and way of being. none of is or ever will be 100 percent happy and perfect and to deny the parts that cry out in loneliness or pain or for basic needs is to put oneself in a situation which breeds depression.

I have a kind of different thinking to this now.

I think ascribing value to thoughts, emotions, memories and so on, saying "give loneliness a voice" and so forth is complete bullshit, and is the source of the problem.

When you can spend an hour of each day in the "hunter's mind", the consciousness of total awareness and immersion in your environment, this annihilates the past and the future, and all the problems which project from those illusions. You can spend an hour present, and spend the next 8 hours with leanings towards problems which are immediately rejected by the mind having just experienced one hour of clarity: it says "There is a better way." And this soothes and diminishes all this mental masturbation down to a fraction of its strength.

It's obvious to me now that the book I'm going to write about this is important.

If you take all analysis of childhood, all thoughts, all projections, all plans, and label it "black", then what I am describing is "white", and they cannot co-exist as grey. And anything that feeds the thoughts, projections, is PART of the black. But to experience the white renders the whole damn thing useless.

We are talking about two diametrically opposed ways of experiencing reality, and when you're locked in the black side, the white is unknown to you -- save occasional brief flashes of sanity, such as your first MDMA trip, or your first orgasm, or your first real experiential meditative realization which puts you in the "white" for an hour, a day or a few days.

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Re: Your Basic Guide to Lifting Depression
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2011, 03:30:35 AM »
 :-\ Well, for me to conclude this is by remembering that once a philosopher told me that we shouldn't think of getting red of these negative thoughts completely, because we can't. The way to deal with it is to lower the chance of negative thoughts to occur and don't allow them to take control over us.
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Re: Your Basic Guide to Lifting Depression
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2011, 12:32:23 PM »
Meditation should not be done to eliminate black thinking and immerse oneself in the white. Rather, it should be done in a way to experience the wholistic, genuine, complex self, to experience the HOW rather than the WHY.

I think what I am trying to describe is being misinterpreted -- maybe because you haven't experienced what I'm talking about. That's cool, we're all learners, and I'm only beginning to get this myself.

Okay so back in the day, when I learned about meditation and non-resistance to emotion, I kind of pictured it as me being me but not minding thoughts and feelings. That's still "black" thinking though.

What I've been experiencing recently, over the last weeks, is going for walks and experiencing sometimes 30 MINUTES of no-thought, no-self.

Now how can this POSSIBLY create an "integrated whole", "bringing together black and white" etc. It doesn't. In the experience I'm describing, there is NO SELF. Nothing at the centre to which to ascribe the experience. I remember the experience as memories, but those memories aren't anything like when it's actually happening.

I'm not trying to create a dichotomy in citing black and white, although inevitably that's what's happened. I am just trying to get across the entirely different ways of processing reality that are available if we know where to look. And that they are indeed incompatible. To get the presence I'm talking about, you CANNOT process a past, you CANNOT process a "self". All of this thinking (and indeed any thinking) is the exact thing stopping you getting this state. Even thinking "I'll have to write about this later" while experiencing it brings you out of this state. The future and past cannot co-exist with this state -- they are just chalk and cheese. And there is no "self", no "psyche" existing in this state, therefore rendering any discussion about childhood trauma, or any psychoanalysis concepts, IRRELEVANT.

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Re: Your Basic Guide to Lifting Depression
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 12:46:44 PM »
:-\ Well, for me to conclude this is by remembering that once a philosopher told me that we shouldn't think of getting red of these negative thoughts completely, because we can't. The way to deal with it is to lower the chance of negative thoughts to occur and don't allow them to take control over us.

Again this is all coming from the "black" side. The thinking part of us which can create something from nothing (but it's still nothing, just posing as something).

I've realized just now that I can never really describe what I'm talking about, because to describe is to mislead -- to create paradigms in the "black" side. Descriptions and guidance cannot exist in the "white" side because the white is the absence of all of this.

Let me leave it by saying, when you get this state, there is nothing to fight -- no concept of negative thoughts, and no concept of having to control them. There's just nothing but experience, raw and unedited. And it is freedom.

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Re: Your Basic Guide to Lifting Depression
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2011, 02:11:31 PM »
A fast and efficient way to cure depression is place the person in a highly stressful situation witch would then force chemicals to be released to survive...this then creates newer perspectives....The stress needs to be consistent and daily and last for at least a week....Of course this has to be done without the persons consent..

An example of this would be to somehow place the persons around other people in a social gathering like a party......the person will eventually socialize to preserve his self image

This can also cure social anxiety..



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