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Re: Nootropics #4: Bupropion
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 01:50:14 AM »
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Re: Nootropics #4: Bupropion
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2010, 09:43:24 PM »
shouldn't your appetite have been suppressed?
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Re: Nootropics #4: Bupropion
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2010, 10:32:29 AM »
shouldn't your appetite have been suppressed?

In my experience serotonin drugs are the most powerful appetite suppressants, followed by norepinephrine. But with bupropion I hardly even felt the norepinephrine, and it doesn't do anything with serotonin. I'm just reporting what happened for me. Your experience may be different.

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Re: Nootropics #4: Bupropion
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 08:09:59 PM »
I don't quite get the difference between a dopamine stimulant and a serotonin one. You say serotonin is for pleasure, for rest, but it seems you did a lot of stuff (like running, sex, drinking, chess etc.) when on venaflaxin. The same with buproprion.

I know I have a natural deficiency in one of these. Caffeine seems to "fix" me, especially in social terms. But now I'm confused why.

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Re: Nootropics #4: Bupropion
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 09:03:40 PM »
I don't quite get the difference between a dopamine stimulant and a serotonin one. You say serotonin is for pleasure, for rest, but it seems you did a lot of stuff (like running, sex, drinking, chess etc.) when on venaflaxin. The same with buproprion.

I can only write about my personal experience with the drugs. What happened, and then what I attribute it to.

Venlafaxine is the most faithful article because I have taken it many, many times -- and the effects are consistent throughout. I've only taken the bupropion on its own once, which is how I reviewed it in that post. I will endeavour to take it again this week and see if anything changes. I may be seeing what I want to see, rather than what the actual effects were. I don't pretend to be a scientist in these posts -- taking a drug then writing about one's personal experience is always going to be a highly subjective matter, very prone to the effects of expectation.

Regarding the similarity in activities -- well that's simple. Those are things I do every day. The point is the subjective experience of those activities under different drugs.

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I know I have a natural deficiency in one of these. Caffeine seems to "fix" me, especially in social terms. But now I'm confused why.

You DON'T know that. This is an assumption which WILL affect your experience, via expectation. For a long time I thought I was "deficient" in some neurochemical or other -- it provides a very powerful excuse for lack of progress, and it can be extremely easy to fall into the trap of blaming genetics or some other circumstance for not getting what you want out of your experiences. I always took a more productive view, that I could find the missing drug and therefore the missing piece of the puzzle. It sounds like that's what you're doing. But it doesn't really work like that. Your perception of your experience is formed from a balance of brain chemicals. What I have found is that drugs more often than not alter experience through altering expectation.

If really in doubt, do what I did and fuck around with a ton of drugs and observe and document the results. What I have found, more and more, is that nothing is "missing" in me that I can't naturally generate via things like changing my expectations, or dropping judgments. I have a post over in meditation about this right now -- http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/forum/meditation/i-can-recreate-drug-highs-every-day-now/


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