Basic Concentration Meditation
Contents
- Introduction
- The Samatha Jhanas
- First Jhana
- My First Jhana
- Soft vs. Hard Jhana
- Practical Jhana — Examples
- Jhana in the Movies
- Student Testimonial
- After First Jhana
- Donate
- Further Reading
Introduction
Learning basic concentration meditation might be the most important thing you ever do.
That is not just personal development blather — it really is that important.
Concentration is what allows you to achieve anything in life. Without it, you’re just going to flounder — and be big on ideas, small on execution.
Focus is just one piece of the puzzle — concentration also inherently feels good. Think about the feelings you get while in flow with some task. Concentration meditation is that times ten, as it activates the body’s opioid system — pain-killing and mood-lifting chemicals which are way more important than serotonin. In fact, unless you have actually experienced the states accessible via concentration meditation, you will not be able to understand their profundity just by reading that last sentence, or by extrapolating your existing idea of what “concentration” feels like — it’s actually its own ball game.
Concentration meditation is therefore an essential part of overcoming depression and anxiety without drugs, as it allows you to feel good whenever you want. In fact, with practice, you can generate as much bliss as you can take. Concentration meditation also allows you to focus away from negative thoughts quickly. In fact, with practice, you can learn to clear your mind within seconds — or with just a blink, if you really practise.
Concentration meditation is in fact so effective at suppressing negative mind states that it should be a first-line treatment for anxiety and depression — long before you try nonsense like serotonin pills, which are just glorified placebos anyway.
So, concentration meditation:
- Enhanced focus on any task.
- Feeling good whenever you like.
- Ability to clear your mind at will.
There aren’t many areas of life where these skills would not be helpful (or even essential). Can you see why learning this might be a turning point for you?
The Samatha Jhanas
In Buddhism, the pure concentration states are called the samatha jhanas. All schools of Buddhism have samatha jhanas. All schools also understand that the concentration states in themselves, whilst feeling extremely blissful, do not lead to enlightenment. For enlightenment, you need an investigative practice such as vipassana (insight meditation). The concentration states are often used as a support for such practices as they focus and steady the mind, preparing it to be able to “see reality as it really is”.
On this website, I shorten samatha jhana to just jhana. Whenever I mention jhana, I am referring to the concentration states only. (“Jhana” is used for other things in Buddhism, which we won’t go into now.)
First Jhana
The first special concentration state is first jhana. According to the literature, first jhana has the following characteristics:
Directed thought, evaluation, rapture, pleasure, singleness of mind, contact, feeling, perception, intention, consciousness, desire, decision, persistence, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention.
This post will only focus on cultivating this state. It will give you all the benefits mentioned in the start of this post. (If you are a Buddhist academic or practitioner, you may wish to take a detour now to Soft vs. Hard Jhana to understand my definition of “first jhana” used in this post.)
You have the option of climbing upwards to higher jhanas once you reach first jhana, and I’ll provide links to further resources if you wish to explore that.
For now, let’s get right into first jhana.
Selecting an Object
You need an object for concentration meditation. This is the thing you place your attention on. This could be almost anything from the following groups:
- A physical, solid object such as a coloured disc, ring, cup — it could be anything, really. It would be convenient if you can carry it around with you, e.g. my stand-up comedian friend uses a ring with an image of the Buddha on it.
- A physical, moving object such as a candle flame.
- An internal, stable process such as the high-pitched tones in your ears, or the dark stuff you see when you close your eyes.
- An internal, repetitive process such as the breath.
- An internal, abstract concept such as one’s peripheral vision.
- An external, abstract concept such as “the present moment”.
That list has progressed roughly in order from most solid to most abstract. I definitely recommend starting with a solid physical object such as a coloured disc, until you have learned the basic process. Such an object is known as a kasina. You could just use a coin. Don’t fret too much over this, just choose something and begin. You could even just stick a drawing pin into the wall and stare at that.
Most guides use the breath as the object. To do this, focus on the feelings in the abdomen as you breathe, or, for a more specific focus, the sensations of air passing over the top lip just beneath the nostrils. The breath is useful because you always have it with you; other examples in this category are the high-pitched tones in your ears, or the dark stuff you see when you close your eyes.
The process of concentration meditation unfolds in the exact same way for every object, and for every person who practises. One of the great things about Buddhist meditation is its predictability, so you can always find out how far you’ve got by referring to the literature or asking someone.
Each group on the above list has in common that they are stable, via either being static (a physical object; the (largely) unchanging high-pitched whines in your ear) or by being repetitive (the breath). The object needs stability for the mind to latch onto with its attention. An example of a poor object is watching television. The content is always changing, and leads to wandering thoughts. (Watching television for long periods does have some jhanaic qualities, which I believe are partly responsible for its addictive nature.). Another example of a bad object is a painting, as it’s “too interesting”.
I personally use the dark stuff behind my eyelids most frequently as my object, followed by the breath, then the high-pitched tones in my ears. The breath is good if I’m ever particularly stressed, as regular breathing has some cardiovascular and relaxation benefits. When outside the house, I tend to use my peripheral vision as the object. This has the added benefit of turning on the right brain. I can also use the entire present moment as my object which gives a kind of floating, “walking on water” feel — but this is somewhat advanced. Finally, I have my very advanced iPhone flashlight afterimage kasina. (I recommend coming back to that post in the future once your concentration skills are excellent, if you want to get into some really deep states of concentration with visual “special effects”.)
If you want me to give you an object, then just use the breath or a drawing pin stuck in the wall.
Set & Setting
Set
The mindset for practising samatha jhana can be any, since the meditation has the effect of suppressing negative mind states both during and for some time after the experience. That said, being extremely tired does make it a lot more difficult to achieve the focus required.
You should not be on any drugs while practising (unless you are doing some crazy custom experiment with psychedelics or dissociatives, which is unlikely unless you’re me
). Some drugs simulate elements of jhanaic states (e.g. tramadol, phenibut and modafinil). Practising while on these drugs may lead you to believe you have progressed further than you have. Additionally, those states do differ from true jhanaic states achieved with a mind free of intoxicants.
That said, if you are currently on antidepressants, keep taking them. Practise as normal while continuing your regimen. Yes, they will affect the practice (usually as a crutch, and usually obscuring some of the subtler aspects of the state). However, you will still see the benefits of the practice, which, along with my Basic Depression guide, will hopefully inspire you to eventually come off those pills under the supervision of your doctor.
Setting
When first practising, I recommend being totally alone, in silence, in a warm, comfortable room, free of distractions, for a set amount of time — say, 30 minutes.
Mild distractions such as being able to hear someone moving around downstairs are not that big of a deal. In fact, it won’t be long before distractions are actually helping you hone your concentration, since you will be forced to concentrate through them. Eventually you will be able to enter first jhana even in a noisy, hectic environment such as a bar or football game. This is achieved by intentionally introducing more distractions to your practice in order to build your concentration muscles, e.g. by taking your practice out into the street on walks. This process is covered thoroughly in my Basic Anxiety guide. The purpose of this post, however, is to cultivate basic first jhana in quiet solitude. So, for now, just get a quiet room on your own.
Regarding session time, you can start off with 15 minutes if you’re an excuse-maker, but the real gains in meditation come from sessions of 30+ minutes.
Posture
You can do concentration meditation while lying, sitting, standing or even walking. When first starting out though, I recommend sitting.
Sit in a posture you can maintain comfortably for 30 minutes, preferably with a straight spine. Sitting cross-legged is preferable but a chair is fine. I personally sit cross-legged on my bed with my back supported by pillows propped up against the headboard. No, it’s not very good from a purist perspective, but it serves my purposes. The point is, don’t fret too much: just get on with it.
If you are using the high-pitched tones in your ears, or your breath as your object, you are good to go. If you are using a physical object, put it somewhere you can rest your gaze on it comfortably for 30 minutes.
The Method
1. Make a resolution about your meditation. To do this, you say to yourself, “I am going to concentrate on this object for the next 30 minutes.” Actually say the words in your mind, assertively. This helps more than you could imagine.
2. Set your timer for 30 minutes and begin your meditation. Always finish a session you’ve started.
3. Place your attention on your object. Keep it there. If it wanders, just bring it back.
When you first start out, you will probably find your attention wanders quickly and often — maybe several times a second. You will just have to pull it back to the object each time (yes, even several times a second — this will make your mind fast, too). Eventually, your attention will “settle” and stay with the object. This is called access concentration. In this state, you may still have verbal thoughts, but they will appear distant, as though part of the background noise and they will not disturb the practice.
Each time you pull your focus back to your object, you are exercising that action like a muscle. With practice, you will be able to flex the action of focus like a muscle, too. That means you will be able to pull your attention onto any object and hold it there (access concentration) with just an intention, or a glance. This is how some people can “clear their minds” at will.
How long it will take you to reach repeatable access concentration is different for each person. It took me around two weeks, practising 2 x 15 minutes each day focusing on the breath. A student of mine however reached access concentration and first jhana on his first 30-minute sitting (also with breath as the object).
4. Now you are in access concentration, simply stay with the object and allow first jhana to arise. In other words, don’t do anything different. Just keep doing what you were doing anyway — staying with the object! Basically, concentration meditation is just staying with the object, and the rest takes care of itself.
For me, the first sign of first jhana arising is a kind of “drop” feeling inside me. It also feels like a warm wave passing through me, which is relaxing and pleasurable. Sometimes, if my eyes are closed, my field of vision (the dark stuff you see with your eyes closed) will suddenly light up brightly, and stay like that. I believe this is a neurotransmitter dump.
There is also a definite change in perception, which is hard to describe. It’s definitely an altered state of awareness.
It’s now even easier to stay with the object — it’s like I’ve “got” the object and I’m “holding” it in a gap in consciousness in front of me. So, let’s say my object is a cup. It now feels like I’m “holding” the cup in its own space in my mind.
If I look around the room at this point, it’s like I’m softly gazing at the whole scene at once. So it’s all there in that “gap”, like a picture, rather than my mind zooming in on specific objects and having annoying verbal discourse about them. Sometimes everything will have that “glass look” (drugs fans will know what I mean) and appear ultra-clear, with that “space around them” that Eckhart Tolle talks about (more about that shortly).
5. Options.
So, at this point, you have reached access concentration and just had the first wave of relaxing pleasure wash over you indicating first jhana beginning to arise. At this point, to have first jhana fully develop into rapture, you have two choices:
- Some sources (1, 2) say you should now make the pleasure itself into the object. So move your awareness entirely onto the feelings of pleasure, simply do not become distracted from those feelings, and you will automatically enter first jhana.
- Other sources (1) say you should simply maintain concentration on the object, and first jhana will arise and grow of its own accord as you do this.
I personally take a hybrid approach. I become aware of the pleasure and the object at once and allow the pleasure to grow while continuing to stay with the object. I find that the “pleasure wave” moves through my body towards the end of each out-breath.
I definitely “cycle” the pleasure wave each time it happens, meaning I give it attention which allows it to become regular and grow in strength each time, until rapture.
When I hit rapture, I tend to purposefully stay in that state for a while. The rapture eventually becomes “boring” and difficult to maintain and settles into just a very clear, effortless concentration. This is second jhana, which we won’t go into here.
Things Which Help Rapture
- Smiling and generally relaxing. Smiling makes everything flow so much more readily. Smiling even introduces some pleasure which can then be focused upon. Relaxing allows thoughts to “fall away”, meaning less effort is expended “fighting through” them.
- Getting into a flow, or rhythm. Okay, this is difficult to explain. You will find that your attention wants to move off the object in an actual predictable rhythm (yes, this is the kind of awareness I’ve brought to the whole thing over the years — even putting attention on attention). You can circumvent that by making your attention on the object also follow a rhythm, or a “groove”. Begin looking at this dot here: • Now begin moving your head towards the screen a little, then back a little (just tiny movements), in a regular rhythm, while continuing to look at the dot. You will find this makes it a LOT easier to stay focused on the dot. So it is with concentration meditation. There are rhythms within access concentration and first jhana. (In second jhana, this kind of applied effort falls away and you are able to stay focused without it, but we won’t go into that now.) You can get into a groove with your focus which makes it a lot easier to stay with the object.
When out and about, I will not typically enter full rapture, but rather dally with some initial spikes of concentration, pleasure and relaxation to enhance my experience of whatever it is I’m doing — whether that be drinking with friends in a noisy bar, walking to the shops, or hitting some balls out on the golf course. See Practical Jhana — Examples, below, for detailed examples.
Something Similar…
In Star Trek: The Next Generation season 5, episode 6,”The Game”, there is a virtual reality headset device which an alien woman uses to get the whole crew of the Enterprise addicted, so she can take over the ship.
This “game” is astonishingly reminiscent of concentration meditation — so much so that I believe the writer probably had experience with the samatha jhanas. Here is the introductory clip (skip to 1:24):
After relaxing, which causes the disc to enter the funnel thing, the headset gives Riker a shot of neurotransmitter pleasure. “Mmmmmm,” he says. “What was that?”
“That’s your reward,” she says, “for clearing the first level.” (Or first jhana? Haha!)
“How far does this game go?”
“As far as you can take it.”
In later scenes, the characters say things like, “If you sit back and relax, the game almost plays itself!” This is very jhanaic. Relaxing and letting thoughts go whilst staying with the object develops deep concentration.
I think the attitude they take towards “The Game” will serve you very well when going for first jhana in concentration meditation.
My First Jhana
I started meditating about 6 years ago and had no teacher, and did not know any Buddhist terminology or concepts. I started with some breath and mantra meditation from a book called The Presence Process.
Within a couple of weeks I found that if I focused really hard on something, usually the breath, at some point the following things would happen:
- I would get a strong feeling of falling (I now believe this is just all muscles relaxing simultaneously).
- My eyes would roll back in my head and being flickering, like REM.
- The dark stuff I saw with closed eyes would light up brightly and become almost white.
- I began feeling ecstatic, and this feeling would last some time after the meditation.
I found I could “cycle” this feeling to get it to grow. I also found I would get “tired” of it eventually and settle into some clear-mindedness without requiring effort (second jhana). I found I could concentrate on something very effortlessly after this.
After studying Buddhism many years later, I identified this as entry to first jhana.
Soft vs. Hard Jhana
This section was primarily written with Buddhist students or academics in mind, who wish me to clarify the terminology and definitions I am using in this guide. However, there is important information in this section which ties into the rest of the guide, so everybody should read this.
If you hang around on hardcore meditation sites, such as the Dharma Overground, you will often come across arguments as to whether someone “really reached jhana” or not. The arguments tend to centre around (but are not limited to) the following points:
- The distinction between “momentary”, “access” and “absorption” concentration. So some will say it is only really first jhana if you are fully absorbed in the object.
- How “absorbed” you have to be. Some people say you have to have no other thoughts besides the object to class it as real first jhana. Others say thoughts can take place but are distant and do not intrude on the practice.
- How long it takes to learn. I’ve seen many students arriving on meditation forums who are working under the assumption that jhana takes years to cultivate. Some schools of Buddhism are happy to maintain that shroud of hardship and mystery (for various reasons) and do so with their other teachings, too. Yet other teachers, e.g. Daniel Ingram, are far more open and optimistic about progress, and basically say it depends on the student and the amount of practice they put in. I personally reached first jhana in two weeks. A student of mine reached it on his first 30-minute sitting. So my view is that everyone is different, but also that your expectations play a part — if you assume first jhana takes years to reach, it will probably end up taking you years! But if you see it as something accessible to everyone and not a big deal, you may achieve it very quickly.
- How faithful one must stay to the Buddhist texts. E.g. some people will insist solitude/withdrawal is necessary for first jhana to arise, and also that the “five hindrances” must be eradicated.
- Whether pleasure itself is included as an object of focus, or whether you must stay on the primary object for the duration of the meditation. My view is that both ways are valid, and the approach sometimes depends on the object (e.g. with “afterimage” kasinas concentration is probably best kept entirely on the object, and the pleasure/rapture takes care of itself).
- Whether a “nimitta” is required or not. A nimitta is a sign that shows you first jhana is arising. An example is seeing a bright light. Another is one’s mind creating a mental image of the breath whereby it is “seen” visually, for example as a cloud of smoke. (I’m very synaesthetic generally, so tend to “see” sensations anyway, as little pulses or waves. Not everybody is so inclined, however. Again — it depends on the student.)
To give an example of the kind of spectrum that exists in meditation circles regarding different people’s perceptions of what constitutes jhana, firstly consider Pa Auk Tawya Sayadaw’s prescribed methodology in Knowing and Seeing:
You should determine to keep your mind calmly concentrated on the white uggaha-nimitta for
one, two, three hours, or more. If you can keep your mind fixed on the uggaha-nimitta for one or
two hours, it should become clear, bright, and brilliant. This is then the paibhaga-nimitta (counterpart
sign). Determine and practise to keep your mind on the paibhaga-nimitta for one, two, or
three hours. Practise until you succeed.At this stage you will reach either access (upacara) or absorption (appana) concentration. It is
called access concentration because it is close to and precedes jhana. Absorption concentration is
jhana.
So, in Pa Auk Tawya Sayadaw’s model, it takes 2–6 HOURS potentially just to reach access concentration!!
Now, compare this to Kenneth Folk’s “parlour trick” of cycling up through all EIGHT jhanas in less than two minutes(!!), in his interesting article Jhana and Ñana:
In fact, there is a thing I sometimes do for my dharma friends that I call my “parlour trick,” in which I sit down and cycle through all eight of the material and immaterial jhanas in less than two minutes. It doesn’t look like much; I just sit there and shake and roll my eyes up into my head, holding up fingers to signal jhana numbers. (Although in the higher jhanas, I always forget which fingers to hold up and the signal system breaks down.) So they have to take my word for it that I attained all those jhanas. But I began doing it as a way to show people that jhanas aren’t something abstract, or something for other people, but rather for ordinary people like us; they can be learned and cultivated to high levels and called up instantly, even during daily life. Also, I must admit, I began doing it as a way to rebel against a western Buddhist culture that teaches that it is wicked or shameful to admit that you “have the power of jhana.” What rubbish.
You can hopefully now see my dilemma in setting out to write a basic guide for attaining first jhana: the arguments regarding what even constitutes that state rage on. In fact, consulting with various experienced meditators in researching this guide highlighted these arguments and actually provided many of the sources and insights I have shared with you here.
To bring some sanity to proceedings, and to clarify what I mean by “first jhana” in this guide, I am happy to refer to Daniel Ingram’s distinction between “soft” and “hard” jhana found in Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha (p.136):
Many traditions use the breath as the primary object initially and
then shift to the qualities of the states themselves as the object of
meditation when they arise and the concentration is strong. The quality
of a jhana can either be “soft” or “hard” depending on how solidly one
is in the state. In soft jhana, the qualities of that particular state are
definitely recognizable in a way that is different from the ordinary
experience of those qualities to the degree that we are confident we are
in the altered state defined by those qualities.In really hard jhana, it feels as if our mind has been fused to those
qualities and the object with superglue, as if we were nothing but a solid
block or field of those qualities or that object, as if they and the object
were the whole world with nothing else remaining. Getting into really
“hard” jhana states dramatically increases the beneficial effects of the
practice, though it takes greater strength of concentration and usually
requires more favourable practice conditions to do so. Taking the
beneficial factors of the jhana solely as the object of concentration is
helpful for this, as can be using an easily identified external object such
as a candle flame or coloured disk.
So, with regard to the above, we can roughly place jhana on a spectrum ranging from “soft” to “hard”, with soft generally taking less time to enter, but having less absorption and less intense “jhana factors” such as rapture. Hard jhana is obviously at the opposite end of the spectrum and generally takes longer to enter, has extreme absorption (the feeling of being “stuck like superglue” to the object), and the most intense jhana factors, e.g. a rapture that can last for days (I can attest to this; my iPhone afterimage kasina meditation resulted in several days’ elation and fascination with the world, and is a solid example of very hard jhana).
Jhana in This Guide
In more formal spiritual practice, e.g. insight meditation (vipassana), jhana is used as a support to steady the mind and allow deep investigation into the nature of the object. In this respect, it is easy to see why students are encouraged to cultivate truly “hard” jhanas, with long meditation times and deep absorption in the object that is to be investigated. Hard jhana is basically a requisite for insight practice on the path to enlightenment. Jhana also provides a strong foundation from which to practise morality.
This guide however is directed mainly towards personal development. I am taking the time to teach you how to reach first jhana as it is going to be a pillar of my next guides, Basic Anxiety and Basic Depression. First jhana is also invaluable for practising new skills requiring focus and stable emotional states, and for following the techniques and methods of other personal development authors. For example, Eckhart Tolle’s “being present” can be seen as entering first jhana using the environment as the object.
With this in mind, first jhana in this guide is mainly going to refer to a “softer” jhana which, with practice, you will be able to enter in a matter of seconds while doing chores, out on walks, in social situations, or performing tasks requiring focus such as work, sports or hobbies. It is a “toolkit” technique to quickly bring stability, equanimity, pleasure and directed attention to almost any area of life you choose.
My definition of first jhana in this guide is therefore as follows:
- One’s attention must be able to be kept with the object, uninterrupted by distracting thoughts, for several seconds.
- One must encounter a tangible pleasant sensation somewhere in one’s body, perceptions or emotions.
- A noticeable “altered state” is also desirous to qualify for first jhana. The above two factors are indicative of an “altered state” in their own right, so I am willing to allow (soft) first jhana based on both of those appearing. However, the following are also useful signs to show you are on the right track:
- A falling away of anxiety, “threat assessment”, ill-will towards others, and other negative emotions.
- A change in visual perception. Broader? More narrow? More “centred”? “Softer”? More “space”?
- Emotional feelings of “absorption” in your object.
- A noticeable decrease in intensity of verbal thought. So, thoughts could reduce in frequency, or simply appear more “distant”.
- A change in one’s perception of time. Typically time appears to slow down, “stop”, or you “become present”.
Practice is the key to noticing and cultivating these factors.
I will write about cultivating “harder” jhanas, moving up to higher jhanas (second, third etc.), and using jhanas in spiritual, contemplative and investigative practices, in other posts.
Practical Jhana — Examples
So, let’s put all this together with some examples.
Example 1: Walking to the shops, you place your awareness on the sounds in the environment, e.g. the birds singing and the gentle sound of the wind. You keep your awareness with these sounds. A pleasant wave passes through you, accompanied by a sense of your awareness either deepening, expanding, or otherwise changing. Diagnosis: Access concentration. You then keep your awareness right there, staying with the sounds, and begin to experience an all-pervading sense of “everything being all right” and a deepening of the state. Diagnosis: Soft first jhana.
Example 2: While sitting, meditating with the breath as the object, you suddenly find yourself absorbed in the breath to the point of “seeing” the individual sensations that make up the breath. Moving this awareness to other sensations in the body, you find that you now have this magnified, “high-resolution” perception of those sensations, too. Diagnosis: Hard first jhana (or higher).
Example 3: While sitting, meditating with the dark stuff behind your eyelids as your object, that random “fuzziness” suddenly coalesces into something resembling solid waves, and you watch with fascination as they move or flow, the event unfolding seemingly of its own accord. You feel like you are bound to these waves like glue; the thought to look away does not even cross your mind. A sense of rapturous elation permeates you, sometimes lasting for hours or even days after the meditation is over. Diagnosis: Hard first jhana (or higher).
Example 4: While sitting in a bar waiting for friends to return, you look down and, gazing at your drink, begin to feel the “lock” of access concentration accompanied by a warm, pleasant sensation. As you allow that pleasant feeling to cycle and grow, you simultaneously maintain your awareness on your drink as your primary object. Suddenly you find yourself fascinated with its colour and texture and the shine of the glass. You almost feel like you could “step into” one of the bubbles! Looking up, you now find that the scene has become bolder and brighter, colours are more vivid, and it has a “smoothness” to its look. Objects are now clearer and have a kind of “glow” around their edges. What’s more, the scene now rests centrally and softly in your vision, as though you are gazing at a unified “whole”, rather than chaotically picking it apart with annoying verbal chatter like you were just moments ago. Anxiety and threat assessment have fallen away entirely. Your friends return and, with a brightness in your eyes, you find yourself only able to smile and offer them goodwill.
I also have this note to share with you from my stand-up comedian friend who I mentioned earlier in this guide:
The method you describe with the peripheral vision, sound and wave of pleasure is something I’ve been doing too — I learned it from an unbelievably intelligent kung fu teacher about 15 years ago and it’s how I go on stage or into any sort of social event. It’s called “stopping the world” in shamanism. So, like you, when I read about it taking years to achieve jhana then the state described being the one I could reach in about 3 seconds I thought, “What the fuck? These hardcore Buddhists like it rough.”
I personally believe the world is speeding up. Compare the bodies and techniques of boxers or footballers of just 50 years ago to what today’s athletes look like and can achieve. I’m sure the same is true of meditation — maybe it just took longer when those ancient books where written, in the days before neuroscience and easily-accessible information. I don’t buy the whole “you don’t get enlightened until you’re ancient” horseshit.
I’ve also got my doubts about the “this is officially first jhana and this is the official way it’s achieved” attitude some dharma teachers have. I’ve been studying jhana a lot lately and there’s a fair bit of difference between how it’s achieved and what it actually is.
You’re bang-on — it’s the best meditation method/state to treat depression and anxiety. People need to know how to do it in the quickest way possible and your writing is accessible, clear and some of the best out there.
Jhana in the Movies
1) Matt Damon sees “the Field” (The Legend of Bagger Vance).
This movie is about meditation and spirituality, and its plot is based roughly on the Hindu sacred text the Bhagavad Gita. Watching this film is directly responsible for my becoming halfway decent at golf literally overnight (after years of lessons and screwing it up). I now enter first jhana before and during every shot. The objects I use are “the Field” before the shot (to line it up); the breath as I form my stance; and my breath, body, swing and the ball all as one during the shot.
There is another great scene near the end of the movie when he makes that final putt. Using jhana, he merges with the hole as his object and everything else just fades away. With practice you can use jhana to create exactly this sort of perceptual tunnel vision at will:
2) Suggestions wanted!
I thought about including Luke Skywalker destroying the Death Star and training concentration with Obi-Wan and Yoda. Jedi is basically a rip-off of Buddhism and other mystical traditions.
I also thought about Neo from The Matrix in his various “letting go” and concentration states, such as in fighting scenes when he “starts to believe” and also when he bends the spoon in his mind. In one sense, he is beginning to see things in the Matrix as objects in his consciousness rather than being separate external entities.
However, both these memes are rather hackneyed, and are not really representative of jhana in a practical sense. Bagger Vance however captures jhana elegantly. So, if you have some suggestions in that vein, please provide them in the comments section, preferably with YouTube links set to the correct time index!
Student Testimonial
A student of mine provided the following report on his progress with concentration meditation after he began practising in summer 2014, with zero prior meditation experience. This report is a helpful way to show you how you can begin a practice from scratch and successfully integrate it into your life, and quickly begin experiencing benefits.
PP writes:
I generally meditate in the morning, soon after I wake up, and soon before going to sleep. Sometimes I will meditate at any time of day if I have free time and feel the need. I set an alarm for around 15–20 minutes, though I have set it for longer. I use the breath as my object, and so far always have.
I started practising in mid-August. I noticed immediate benefits, and that concentrating on my breath even for just a small amount of time while out in the world would bring about a positive change in mood. Around October, I noticed the mood-lift after a meditation session getting stronger, and my posture would improve when I had recently meditated (though my posture is decent anyway.) As of the beginning of November, I have been noticing the mood lift after a meditation session is very strong, lasts throughout the day, and my concentration while meditating is higher. I recently noticed in one of the newer PPM articles where you wrote something like, “Ruthlessly return your attention to your breath,” and for some reason that phrase resonated with me and seems to have helped my ability to concentrate.
In life I now feel much lighter, as if pressure has been lifted off my entire body. I feel warm, tingling sensations. My mind seems to slow down and then finally stop, and I feel very content. The practice allows me to keep a lighter, more relaxed mood throughout the day. I feel more inclined to talk to people and be friendly. I’m pretty sure I have noticed women checking me out, too.
Meditation doesn’t eliminate bad emotions, but they hurt less and negative thought patterns have a harder time gaining momentum.
Later correspondence with PP has shown me that, based on his descriptions, I can fairly safely say he has now mastered first jhana (to “hard” level) and probably higher jhanas, too. This correspondence was received in December 2014. So, PP mastered first jhana in just over four months, with 15–20-minute daily sittings (in the last month increasing his time to 30 minutes upon my recommendation).
That’s pretty impressive. And it just goes to show that this stuff is not just for monks sat meditating in temples 18 hours a day — with a little daily practice, concentration skills can be learned by anybody.
After First Jhana
After achieving first jhana, there are several options available to you should you wish to go further in your practice.
Continue Mastery of First Jhana
- Keep practising, and learn to deepen the concentration state while sitting to reach a “hard” jhana where you are more and more absorbed in your object.
- Learn to call up the (“soft”) concentration state in shorter and shorter times. Challenge yourself by practising it in more difficult environments, e.g. while out in public. How quickly can you focus your attention and start to feel good, even in distracting or emotionally-charged situations?
- Try it on new objects. If you have mastered first jhana on the breath, now try it on environmental sounds, or on visual objects. Get creative and try it on awareness itself, or on “the present moment”.
As a reference point, I can now access first jhana in practically any situation, on practically any object, in a matter of seconds. (Access concentration is attained with pretty much a glance at the object, accompanied by the “drop” and warm pleasant sensation; staying with both the object and the pleasant feeling results in first jhana arising a couple of seconds later.)
Move on to My Other Guides
My Basic Anxiety and Basic Depression guides use first jhana as a central pillar, due to the emotional stability and equanimity the state brings. While the guides will utilize a daily sitting meditation to improve ability to access the concentration state, and also as a “recharge” or “refresh” exercise, they will also make use of quick “soft” jhana in daily activities when one’s mood needs rapidly stabilizing — particularly the Basic Anxiety guide, as first jhana is extremely useful for letting go of anxiety in the moment. Decent jhana skills are therefore a prerequisite for being able to use those guides. If you’re there already, and feel you could benefit from guidance for anxiety or depression, feel free to explore those guides now!
Master Higher Jhanas
If you have practised concentration meditation for some time and been able to reach highly absorbed states, chances are you’ve already moved into second jhana or even higher at some point during those sittings — perhaps even regularly, without you even realizing it. There is an “automatic” element to moving upwards through the jhanas — the longer you sit, the more likely it is the mind “gets bored” of maintaining the current jhana and “latches onto” the jhana immediately above it. The most simple example here is the automatic upwards movement from first to second jhana: if you have sat in first jhana for some time, you will be aware that it takes effort to maintain the concentration on the object. When that effort becomes tiring, one of two things happens: you either “lose” the concentration and have to start again from access concentration, or your mind “stops trying” and is able to rest on the object without further effort. This is second jhana. At this point, the meditation kind of runs itself.
While this “automatic” element does come into play with regular practice and long enough sits, knowing the processes via which the mind shifts upwards from the current jhana to the next is absolutely invaluable if you wish to master the jhanas more quickly and purposefully. Guidance at this point will show you what to look out for, so you can see when a jhana is about to “mature” to its next stage and allow it to do so. Two resources I can recommend for this are Daniel Ingram’s book Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha and Kenneth Folk’s article Jhana and Ñana (his “chicken-herding” analogy is particularly entertaining and insightful!).
For those inclined towards practising New Age methods such as “intention-manifestation” (also known as “Law of Attraction”/”The Secret”), “psychic” powers and abilities, and other “woo”, please note that for millennia these have been known as “magick and the powers” or “siddhis” and were traditionally performed by the meditator while in fourth jhana. And yes I use them, and yes they work.
But there is a cost. Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha does a fair treatment of the powers and their potential repercussions (p.144).
Begin Insight Meditation
Another advantage of mastering the jhanas is that they act like a magnifying glass for examining the sensations that make up your reality. Such investigation is known as insight meditation, or vipassana.
PP writes:
I recently noticed that when I attempt to concentrate on my breathing, I feel the physical sensations caused by the breath much more acutely. As I concentrate on these sensations more, I also feel other physical sensations get stronger, almost like a tingling all over my body.
This is one of the signs that told me PP has mastered jhana: his awareness of sensations has been magnified. Investigating these sensations and noticing the Three Characteristics (impermanence, no self, and inability to satisfy (suffering)) inherent in every one is called insight meditation. Jhana alone cannot lead to enlightenment. Only investigation of sensations via insight meditation can.
However, insight meditation is no walk in the park. It can take years to move through the stages of insight via this diligent investigation. While there are certainly high points and “Matrix moments” (seeing reality “as it really is”), these realizations can trigger periods of extreme negative emotion and distress as your conceptualization of reality and your place within it is profoundly reorganized (“death of self”). This difficult period is known as the Dark Night and can last for years (or perhaps forever if you do not receive the right guidance, or stop practising) once you have crossed into it.
I cannot do the Path of Insight justice in just a few small paragraphs. Luckily, Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha is entirely dedicated to walking you through that Path in a most open and straightforward way.
The point is, beginning insight meditation is not something to be taken lightly, and I advise that any decision to do so is made consciously when you feel you are ready. Some of you will already be in the Dark Night, having crossed into it inadvertently via drug experiences or by meditating without proper guidance. If you find yourself trawling the Internet constantly looking for answers, and/or obsessively thinking about the Universe and the true nature of reality, then these are signs you might already be in the Dark Night. It is best to assume you’re not, read the book, then make an educated assessment of where you are.
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Further Reading
Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha (Daniel Ingram). Detailed descriptions of the jhanas, the Path of Insight, and modern Buddhist culture — with all the techniques you need.
Jhana and Ñana (Kenneth Folk). Great description of the process of cultivating concentration, using an amusing “chicken-herding” analogy.
Samatha jhanas (Dharma Overground). Nice summary of the jhanas in the DhO wiki.
Anupada Sutta: One After Another. Original Buddhist text on the jhanas from the Pali Canon.
iPhone Flashlight Afterimage Kasina. My article about getting truly “hard” jhanas one through four, with amazing visual special effects.
Great article!
I actually started doing basic breath meditation after finding it on your site way back in 2011. It took me about 8 months or so until I had a “breakthrough”. Around that point, it felt as if I could intuit people’s vibes based on talking to them and pretty much read them, gather their motivations etc. The next few months that followed were pretty awesome haha. It literally clicked after one meditation session. Like you said I was meditating around 30 min or so.
Somewhere along the way all that subsided. I would note that I did LSD around this time – give or take a few months or so – and had a bad trip. I spent about the next 1-2 yrs pretty much fundamentally questioning my identity, trying to figure out what kind of a person I am, my characteristics/qualities. Pretty much questioning the meaning of life..as in what’s the point of any of this? I’m pretty sure I’ve past the bottom of that, but I’m nowhere near as daring/impulsive/confident as I used to be. I’m curious to know whether this meshes with your experience of arising/passing and the dark night.
Either way, I need to practice more often, so thanks for putting this up!
Yep that closely matches my experience. I took MDMA for the first time around the time I started meditating (2008-09). I crossed the Arising & Passing quite blatantly around that time. I had “seeing the Matrix” moments practically every day and had insane psychic/intention-manifestation experiences on a weekly basis during that year. Ingram’s description of the A&P is bang-on: http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dharma-wiki/-/wiki/Main/MCTB+4.+The+Arising+and+Passing+Away/en
The Dark Night that followed lasted years, and I’m only really just coming out of it now.
Some drugs, particularly LSD, are well known for causing people to cross the A&P prematurely. I think there are lots of people out there who qualify for Dark Night having crossed A&P via drugs or some unguided meditation practice.
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I have a question : How do you make the difference between letting go of a thought and suppressing it ?
I’ve been trying this meditation for 2 weeks now. But as for each time I tried meditation, I’ve been wondering if I was just letting go of the thought or suppressing it whenever I come back to my kasina.
Concentration is concentration. Both suppressing and letting go of thoughts are valid actions for concentrating. Concentrate!
In reality you will mainly be suppressing thoughts to begin with until you create a “concentration pathway” at which point you will find thoughts falling away at the side.
Good luck!
Thanks for the reply.
I have another question. I do This meditation with a solid object. And I’ve been wondering about the role of my eyes. Maybe I’m Just sweating over the small stuffs. But should my eyes daty immobile, fixing one part of the object, then widening my field of attention on the object or should I let them scruting the object.
I naturally let them move, and I’ve noticed That I keep seeing things with more and more details in it
The eyes will do various things depending upon what’s going on. Don’t sweat it.
In fact, worrying about the eyes shows you are not concentrating. Simply return your attention to the object.
You will find you go through annoying cycles of self-doubt and distraction while practising concentration, before finally arriving at absorption. And then you might realize you’re absorbed, and have distracting thoughts about that! It’s normal. Just keep returning your attention to the object.
But I also have some more practical advice: get into a “rhythm” of concentration. So, imagine your concentration has a gentle flowing “back and forth” feel to it. I talked about that in this guide in the section “Things Which Help Rapture”. Your eyes will take care of themselves when done like that.
Here is what MCTB (p139) says about getting into a flow:
“Tune into the illusory smoothness of things by purposefully and
calmly working with illusions of solidity or fluidity. There is a certain
“into it” quality which helps, sort of like really getting into a slow groove
when playing an instrument, having sex, playing a sport, or just sinking
into a well-deserved and warm bubble bath. Being in a silent and safe
place is very helpful, as is giving yourself permission to relax, put the
cares of the world behind you, and enjoy.
If you are using the breath as an object, you might try purposefully
visualizing it as sweet, smooth waves or circles that are peaceful and
welcome. Try breathing as if you were in a garden of fragrant roses and
you wish to experience the fullness of their fragrance. Perhaps these tips
will help illustrate the kind of non-resistant and peaceful presence that
can help one attain these states. Tune into sensations in and around the
primary object that feel good.”
I will also add that, when in deep absorption, things like worrying about the eyes (or anything else) simply doesn’t happen. There is no way to “deal with it” because it just doesn’t happen. An example from last night: I was practising my iPhone kasina (http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/iphone-flashlight-afterimage-kasina/). I went through the usual worrying about my eyes, blah blah blah, when suddenly I noticed that the afterimage of the light looked like a little galaxy. Zooming in, I found it was made of millions of stars. Obviously I was not worrying about my eyes and so forth at that point.
All in all, don’t sweat it. Just return your attention to the object.
I kinda knew that I was worrying for nothing, but I needed to got it confirm :p
“You will find you go through annoying cycles of self-doubt and distraction while practising concentration, before finally arriving at absorption. And then you might realize you’re absorbed, and have distracting thoughts about that! It’s normal. Just keep returning your attention to the object.”
Yeah, I can totally relate to that, each time that I feel that I’m being absorbed, There is always a thought that say “yeah I did it” or else and I’m like “damn”. Haha
I’ll try the flow thing, even if I’ve got trouble to really understand it.
Thank you again.
“Getting into a flow, or rhythm. Okay, this is difficult to explain. You will find that your attention wants to move off the object in an actual predictable rhythm”
Thank you!
I noticed that after I focus my attention my mind becomes foggy and it slowly starts to drift until an alluring thought pops up and next thing I know I’m lost in thought. Refocusing in a rhythm on the fogginess and drifting mind almost eliminates it completely.
“I would get a strong feeling of falling (I now believe this is just all muscles relaxing simultaneously).”
I would begin to get this feeling too, get scared, and then stop. I couldn’t handle not being in story mode. Just go with the flow?
Yep, just let it happen.
I’ve been having headaches after some sessions. I was not sure if it was really correlated but I’ve just got out of a sitting and I’m starting to have an headache. What can I be doing wrong ? Am I trying to concentrate too hard ? Putting too much effort ?
Might be eye-strain. If you are using a physical object, try not to “stare” at it and instead “gaze”. Any time you feel tension in the eye muscles, consciously relax that tension. Try putting the object farther away if you have to tense your eye muscles to keep it in focus.
If none of that works, try using the breath as your object with eyes closed, rather than a physical object.
I have read many reports about concentration meditation by people on meditation forums, and some of them say they experience a “pressure” sensation in their forehead (third eye area) while concentrating. I do not experience this however, and do not believe pain should be involved in concentration meditation. Pain is almost always caused by a muscle being tensed for a long period, and you should train yourself to notice that tension and consciously relax it.
” and some of them say they experience a “pressure” sensation in their forehead (third eye area) while concentrating.”
That’s exactly it !
I think you might have spot the right problem.
Thank you
Thank you so much for writing this article. I’ve only been practicing for three weeks, and I’ve already experienced the benefits. I’m calmer,less anxious and I seem to be working faster! Looking forward to more of your writings.
That’s awesome, Nick. Nice work, and thanks for the feedback.
It just struck me that one of the reasons we’re seeing so many newcomers make rapid positive progress might be that we are working directly against some of the scatter-brain conditioning of social media, TV, and other recent phenomena. In this sense, concentration meditation is helping us come back up from quite a significant negative — by restoring one’s ability to simply focus on one thing at a time, and also to be alone without constant intrusion upon one’s experience. No wonder people are feeling better since starting to practise.
I won’t go ultra-conservative and declare such technology and social change to be evil — they are simply causal. But they bring a whole host of maladies, and rising interest in “antidotes” like this method is to be expected.
Hey Illuminatus, how long would you say I have to be able to concentrate on my object before I’ve “achieved access concentration”? I can easily concentrate on anything for several seconds but then I can find myself off daydreaming, where I totally forget that I’m meditating again! (I’m just taking up meditation again after a few years off, if that helps.) Thanks a lot for your excellent work.
Hi Daniel,
As a very general rule I would say you need two factors present for it to qualify as access concentration: 1) A sense of “lock” on the objrect. 2) A pleasant sensation.
For example, at my level I can glance at an object, hold it in “lock” for just a second, and feel a pleasant sensation. Then I concentrate on both the object and the pleasant sensation simultaneously, and this is how you build “absorption” — so it literally feels like you are “feeling” the object inside you, hence the name absorption.
At your level, I would recommend mainly looking out for this pleasant sensation, or even just some subtle change in perception or awareness. Start to notice these things and let them grow and develop, and that’s going to be the key to developing concentration/absorption. You can develop it quite quickly if you know to look for these things, which is a main reason I wrote this guide as its aim is to teach this fantastic skill in the most straightforward way possible.
Hope this helps.
Edd
Hey, last night when practicing concentration meditation my ability to become absorbed in the breath seemed to increase suddenly. After I stopped meditating, I was in this remarkable bliss state where I was totally relaxed, to the point where I was too relaxed to do anything. Is this a bliss state?
After your posture work, which frees up muscles, your ability to create spaciousness in the jhana will suddenly increase. Did your meditation seem more spacious? I don’t want to put words in your mouth; this is just my experience.
And yes that’s a kind of bliss state. If you are blissful, it’s a bliss state. You can also get bliss while walking around and doing things following such deep jhanas as they leave their mark for some time afterwards.
I really didnt do all that much posture work, yet it seems to have made a difference. I was gonna comment on the posture article that I only really tried the arm one and then tried the hip flexors like you suggested in the comments, and feel a change. To be honest, I was skeptical about the posture method before I tried it, as it seemed way too simple. I thought I had simply been concentrating better last night, but the fact that it was such a sudden change makes me think it had something to do with the posture work.
Will you always go through the Jhana states in order?
I haven’t been able to “skip” jhanas — but I haven’t tried that hard. I can get to 4th jhana extremely quickly, but I clearly go through 1st, 2nd and 3rd in rapid succession.
Also, they are stacked fractally. So, in getting to a deep 1st jhana, a progression through 1 to 4 can be witnessed in that, if one pays attention carefully. My description of “what happens”, visually, is as follows:
“Lock” (1st)
“With” (2nd)
“Periphery” (3rd)
“Fill” (4th)
I use a combination of the dark stuff I see when I close my eyes, and the breath, as my object. Perceptually it’s like using “nothing” as the object (I matured past having to use actual objects some time ago). So, I will lock onto the dark stuff in sync with my breath (pleasure wave). Stay with the wave and the dark stuff kind of “blooms” and becomes steady. That’s second. Then the periphery of my visual field becomes the focus, automatically, which is 3rd (though I can move focus there intentionally to “hack” into 3rd, but the quality of the jhana is compromised). Then the middle fills in, and that’s 4th. Jhanas 5-8 can be found within the “tail end” of 4th — you can find the “space” between yourself and the dark stuff, kind of like a “hidden layer” which you can “step into” and progress from there up till “Neither perception nor yet non-perception” or whatever it’s called — which is like being totally tuned out. It’s useful for hangovers when the alternative would be feeling miserable.
I was thinking back over this very old post: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/forum/meditation/meditation-states-more-intense-than-drugs/
“The first time I reached this “void” state, where I literally had nothing in my mind, it was like trying to maintain a bubble. In the bubble was nothing, and that’s where I wanted to stay. However, thoughts were pushing in from the outside, trying to burst the bubble. The first time I experienced this, I was able to maintain the bubble for several seconds, using the “muscle” of concentration built by all my previous meditation experience. It really is like flexing a muscle. I am amazed by the brain’s ability to develop such things. Anyway, I stayed in the bubble for several seconds, and staying there caused what I can only describe as an EXPLOSION of pleasure in my brain. Honestly, it was more intense than any drug. It was more like an orgasm, but even more intense. It was as though someone had run up and injected me with heroin or something. I could not maintain this intense state. All the thoughts came flooding back into my head, and my ego went giddy with joy at the new “toy” it had found.”
I am pretty certain that “bang” was Nirodha-Samapatti. There was pseudo-cessation during it. I’ve tried to get it back today but didn’t get there. Beginner’s luck does count for something in meditation.
A fairly good assumption to make in concentration meditation is that you’re about to achieve something. I’ve always proceeded under the belief that these things are waiting to be found and could happen at any time, and that the mind will just kind of find its way there if you let it. I’ve never had any doubts, because as far as concentration meditation is concerned, doubts are just background noise and wasted cycles you could devote to absorption. My advice to anyone is just to stop having any doubts about your abilities at all because they’re a total waste of your time.
Correction! I just found I could skip straight into 5th jhana (Infinite space). This was after practising concentration meditation for about an hour, so that jhana was already well-practised and “worn in”. Just assume there is a layer of space in your consciousness that you can “step into” — it’s between “you” and your field of vision. Step into it, and it expands.
Thank you for the reply.
I’m confused about where I’m at basically.
I’ve been trying to be consistantly aware/present . Could I be in a jhana and not left it? I feel kinda like I’m on a cloud. Last night when I was alseep I felt like I went through rapture, waves of pleasure each more intense than the last all coming from my naval – where I’ve always had lots of tension/energy blocks.
earlier that day, I think I had symptoms of the dark night – some of my intentions started coming through, and I thought about what happens after I get what I asked for? This was followed by panick/fright/worry that even after I got something I wanted, nothing would change and I would not be satisfied, and the mere power to have control over reality was in that fashion was scary and daunting.
Today, when I breath and go into the subtle breath, I feel vibrations/discomfort. Not pleasure that I can absorb into.
My body feels very light and any thoughts very faint. Pain/discomfort is labeled as such but there is no suffering, likewise I feel no pleasure really, sort of a disassociated apathy.
I feel like everything is fluffy.
“I’ve been trying to be consistantly aware/present . Could I be in a jhana and not left it? I feel kinda like I’m on a cloud. Last night when I was alseep I felt like I went through rapture, waves of pleasure each more intense than the last all coming from my naval – where I’ve always had lots of tension/energy blocks.”
I would say that’s first jhana and you can just cycle the waves (make them the object, or a combination of that and, say, your breath) and let the rapture build up like that. There is an orgasmic element to it. I am sure we are hacking both the dopamine and opioid systems.
“earlier that day, I think I had symptoms of the dark night – some of my intentions started coming through, and I thought about what happens after I get what I asked for? This was followed by panick/fright/worry that even after I got something I wanted, nothing would change and I would not be satisfied, and the mere power to have control over reality was in that fashion was scary and daunting.”
I would say these are little fractal reflections of the Dark Night, but full-blown Dark Night is really rather obvious (well, it was for me, once I knew that’s what it was). Mine lasted for 6 years! So my advice would be not to sweat these little instances of negative mind states. Don’t “script” yourself into a Dark Night, haha.
“Today, when I breath and go into the subtle breath, I feel vibrations/discomfort. Not pleasure that I can absorb into.”
I would advise you to go back to the pleasurable focus if you want to cultivate deep jhana. So go back to your belly one. Listen up, everyone. You need to pick objects that work FOR YOU. Pick them based on which ones make you feel the best and/or are quickest to get into. E.g. I am very visual — that’s my dominant representational system. So I almost always use the dark stuff behind my eyes (in combination with my breath). I can use, say, an audio tone as an object, but it takes a little longer to “lock onto” and there’s more a “forced” feeling regarding the pleasure. The pleasure wave can be learned as a habit to transplant jhana onto objects not in your preferred representational system. Learning how to get to rapture should therefore be your #1 priority. My message here is that if an object is not working for you, try another one, in a different representational system (feeling? Visual? Audio? What?)
“My body feels very light and any thoughts very faint. Pain/discomfort is labeled as such but there is no suffering, likewise I feel no pleasure really, sort of a disassociated apathy.
I feel like everything is fluffy.”
This is tough to label. I know what you mean because I can settle into that apathetic state if I stay in a “soft” jhana for a long time. I believe it comes from maxing out the opioid system (you get a similar “numb” feeling if you take a load of codeine or tramadol). My advice is to ramp up the rapture. So build those pleasure waves up. I used to “dump” all the pleasure in one go, which would then lead to that numbed, fluffy state you’re describing. Now I let the rapture build up in its own time, in phase with the breath, and in phase with the fascination I am experiencing with the object/state (object and state begin to become one, hence “absorption”).
Since I began taking this more “organic” approach to jhana, my jhanas are always extremely pleasurable (and addictive). The amount of dopamine I pump into my own brain leaves a metallic taste in my mouth sometimes. My morning wake-up ritual is now to do some tai chi–style exercises to unstiff my muscles from the various sleeping positions (and these moves all come from the right brain; I’m going to film it soon and put it up here, and explain how to access that state). Then I get back in bed in a semi-reclined position (pillows behind my back) and rise through the jhanas. It is nice to know, for a fact, that I am going to feel good immediately that day.
Thanks for the indepth reply – I always looked forward to your new content.
I’ve been through the dark night already, I “boosted” myself through it with DMX and DMT, which was brutal and not recommended.
I have found doing the posture exercises you’ve recommend so far (tense and release) has really, really been of great help.
“I’ve been through the dark night already, I “boosted” myself through it with DMX and DMT, which was brutal and not recommended.”
You can’t hack through the Dark Night with drugs. Been there, tried that, got the t-shirt. I even got a fake “Fruition” while on a combination of methoxphenidine and LSA. That cycled me back to Arising & Passing as though it were a real fruition — but the curtain of duality did not stay lifted! I had to go through the entire Dark Night again, without drugs, and get fruitions, without drugs, before I could finally feel like I had achieved what I set out to achieve and got my life back.
I think it’s actually a pretty good idea to master all the territories of the various emotions you feel from day to day as though they were one of the Stages of Insight, and that’s what my next big post is about. It’s pretty remarkable what you can achieve when, say, you have mastered Fear — because, well, can you think of any life situation where mastery of Fear wouldn’t come in handy?!
And, of course, mastering jhana is always cool if you’ve had enough and want to suppress the shit out of a negative emotional state.
It’s nice to have options.
If everyone could learn to get hard jhana at will the antidepressant companies would go out of business overnight.
I need to add something to this.
“My body feels very light and any thoughts very faint. Pain/discomfort is labeled as such but there is no suffering,”
Why are you labelling anything? Beginning to label sensations means you have departed from concentration into insight meditation. If you made the choice to do that, fine. If you assumed that you were still doing concentration meditation at that point, you’re dead wrong.
I’ve got the feeling from having done a few Skype sessions and answering plenty of emails/comments that a lot of you have way too much mental (mainly verbal) activity going on while doing concentration. Suppress the hell out of that shit! This isn’t insight, or watching thoughts, or “noting”, or any variant of that. This is pure concentration. Don’t tolerate any mental activity from yourself that is not being pointed at absorption in the object.
Especially when you are starting out, most of concentration meditation is actually suppression.
Once you have worn in that pathway, you can start to feel more like you are pointing your concentration at an object and thoughts “fall away”. But if you aren’t there, you aren’t there. Suppress!
“Return your attention ruthlessly to the object” is good advice I gave a student once which really helped him.
“This isn’t insight, or watching thoughts, or “noting”, or any variant of that. This is pure concentration. Don’t tolerate any mental activity from yourself that is not being pointed at absorption in the object.”
Well, that settles it quite nicely 😀
I think I found my confusion:
“And, of course, mastering jhana is always cool if you’ve had enough and want to suppress the shit out of a negative emotional state. ”
I always thought there was no such thing as suppressing, if you did that you would just make it worse and that the only way through negative emotions is acceptance.
If supression is the key, well I was raised in a religious household, supression is a talent of mine 😀
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“I always thought there was no such thing as suppressing, if you did that you would just make it worse and that the only way through negative emotions is acceptance.”
There is suppression by “pushing emotions down”. In that instance, you are learning a habit — of pushing emotions down. And this is the very definition of being passive/non-assertive. It goes very much with the “head down” posture. In reality a lot of such suppression is actually required due to this whole thing called “having to get along with other people.” 😉 So that’s where social savvy comes in, in being able to express emotions in ways that don’t wreck your relationships. There is definitely a lot of truth that suppressing emotions in that respect will make them worse down the line (luckily, a few assertive expressions of those emotions quickly “corrects the timeline”
). One of my major guides, coming up, will focus on how to experience emotions as they arise without “acting out on them”. So, not suppression — you can actually choose to fully feel the emotions then not do anything. They don’t get suppressed, they don’t “build up”. It’s all conscious choice. That requires some leaps of faith and work on becoming detached from the “self” that suffers, and hopefully my guide will bring people to that place quicker than if they just followed, say, current insight meditation technology. What I practise is very similar to Actualism. I consider it a kind of “right-brain enlightenment” technology — working with sensations as opposed to deconstructing them.
In the context of concentration meditation, there are two ways I have used the word “suppress” in these replies. The first is suppression of thoughts during concentration meditation. This is absolutely the way to go, especially when first starting out. You are “carving out a space” in your consciousness for the object to sit in. I do not push thoughts down for this. I mainly push “on” them, or “through” them. That’s really hard to explain, but just give it a go. The end result is that it feels like I’m “pushing” on the object on the out breath and slightly “pulling” on the object on the in breath. That’s how you sync the “lock” (beginning of absorption with the object) with the breath. I will have to add that to guide; it’s an important point and will probably unlock this for some people who just needed a “key”.
Again: Try this. Imaging you are “pushing” on the object with your mind during the out breath, and “pulling” on the object on the in breath. You are aiming to get the pushes and pulls flowing smoothly like a sine wave. That is one way you can achieve rhythm in your concentration meditation, and begin to get regular pleasure waves in synchronization with everything else that is going on. That’s how you build up to rapture, and utter fascination with the object. It is literally like you are merging with it. Because you are “feeling” the object (the emotional responses in your body are synchronized with your focus on the object), you begin to literally FEEL the object. This is how one becomes “absorbed” in an object.
Suppressing thoughts in concentration meditation is fine. If they are that important, you’ll just think them again later while not meditating. 99% of your daily thoughts are completely useless anyway. Aren’t they. Think about that for a moment.
Furthermore, thoughts are really fickle beasts. For me, and most people I suspect, they are largely at the mercy of the underlying emotional currents. I had far too much to drink last night and the hangover had my thoughts turn, apparently arbitrarily, to self-hating thoughts. I am an extremely happy, positive person in my life now, so when I detect this happening I KNOW this is my body talking. The thoughts in this context are nonsense attachment of false meaning to painful body sensations (Invalid Attribution). It is vital that thoughts are not “thunk” while in this state! That’s one of the problems with depressive people: they THINK while in the depressed state (when they actually should be asleep) and write themselves a new character story/history from that body state and become self-hating due to that new story. Break that feedback loop! Concentration meditation is by far the best way to do this. STOP THINKING! Pick an object and get absorbed. Concentration meditation makes nerves release opioids (it might be a kind of intentional “overloading”). It took about 45 minutes of concentration but I beat the hangover. I just killed off the pain with the meditation then the thoughts fixed themselves. Miracle, eh.
My second usage of “suppress” pertains to intentionally suppressing negative emotional states using concentration meditation. This is as I just described. I am not suggesting people slack off all their troubles and just stay in jhana all the time and never think about or manage their problems (even though, for most people, that would probably actually HELP them solve their problems since they would be a lot happier in general). I am suggesting however that concentration meditation be used as a magic pill whenever you feel bad seemingly for no reason. Why suffer so much in this life? The really good thing about being able to do this is that, when you do get round to looking at your problems, you will be able to do so from the position of KNOWING you can feel good immediately after dealing with them. The fear of the fear of the fear is what keeps most people behind.
So, I hope that clears up why to suppress, when to suppress, and how to suppress.
I’m continuing to enjoy the benefits of this practise. My focus is unbelievable. I zip through books much faster and seem to retain more information. I’m also happier for no good reason (does there have to be a reason?) One funny thing that I’ve noticed, I stammer in my speech enough for it to be a social and business problem. I’ve noticed that when my energy and focus is high, I can temporarily overide the tendency to stammer, but when I do this I experience an increase in anxiety and fear. I’ve started to journal this to enhance my awareness of this. I’ve long suspected that symptoms like stammering,social anxiety are like a shield which was erected via the nervous system to protect the individual. Probably dating back to a time when the individual was powerless in early childhood.
Have you had any experience with the Sedona Method or Release technique (named depending on whose teaching). It makes sense but I found it difficult to make work. The teachings reminded me of self enquiry with a Buddhist slant. I like their take on goal setting. They set goals to bring up negativity and then work on releasing or allowing those feelings.
I enjoy reading and practising your work and look forward to future writings.
Hi Nick,
Sedona, “Release”, NLP, EFT — all these lower-level techs are shit. They use jhana elements but in bizarre frameworks with insane rationalizations.
Just go straight for deeper jhanas. You’re already seeing the benefits.
The stammer is a muscle contraction habit learned by having your voice “cut off” by others during childhood. You go to talk, someone cuts you off (to tell you off, bully you, or otherwise dominate you) and you get stuck with this habit. It’s muscles, and if there is one thing the human mind can actually control, it is muscles. Pull up an anxious situation in your mind you know causes you to stammer. Find the muscles tense up in various parts of your speaking apparatus, e.g. chest, lungs, throat, etc. Make those tensed muscles the object. Do jhana on them until you relax. It might take you 2 hours, or 20 seconds. I’ve used this to recondition a million muscle tension related issues. Sorry, I can’t tell you it any more clearly than that. Just play around.
Edd
Thanks for the advice. In a crazy way I’m glad I have this current problem. It’s pushed me into this fascinating area of study. I’ll take on board your suggestions. The warning about the low level techs is appreciated. I’ll be making a contribution, I’ve learnt a lot from you.
I found I get to deeper states quicker laying down.
Also, I had like… Arm rapture the other day? I WAS my right arm, and it thrashes about for a few seconds englufed in white light. Then I felt like I kinda, like fell asleep/blinked out for a second and was just laying down again awake.
I’m using my throat as the “object” when talking to other people to see if I can improve my tone of voice. Well, the results are pretty amazing. My voice is louder and deeper now. I didn’t know I had such a manly and sexy voice. It’s still not perfect, but II’m working on it. Being shy, I always struggled to make people hear what I was saying most times. I thought I couldn’t change my voice but now I understand that it was the result of previous conditioning and muscle tension which had been accumulated during years.
How has achieving Jhanas affected your ability to attract women?
At the start it was excellent. I would sit for 15-30 minutes in jhana, then go out and forget all about it. Due to the neurochemicals released (e.g. opioids, GABA, dopamine) it was a great mood and was the first time I felt present on nights out without drugs. I would not think about state or meditation or anything on those nights. I think that’s the best way to do it.
I think doing jhana actually during nights out can be useful, but only in rare ultra-quick bursts to wipe away some anxiety or get out of your verbal mind for a moment or to do Sleazy-style “mind clearance”. As I got better at jhana, I started letting the line get really blurred, and ended up doing jhana all the time which made me very passive and zombie-like. Jhana is very comfortable, and comfort tends towards inaction.
So this is all about knowing where to draw lines, and to stick to that. Personally I would recommend guys to steer away from jhana during socializing. Do a good sit before leaving the house, then completely forget about it.
If you are looking for a relationship of the form “Learn jhana –> get girls” then I would say abandon that thought immediately. You still have to do everything you would have had to do anyway to meet women. A 15-30–minute sit beforehand however might just make you more open and sociable and improve your odds.
Thank you.
I am basically interested in using meditation to develop ‘Emotional Stability’ as you called it in one of your posts on the older forum. The ability to be completely present and unfazed while I am out interacting with women similar to what Sleazy does. I find myself in my head a lot and I am trying to get out of that.
Iv hit intense levels of bliss before when approaching jhana, There were times when it was so intense i would burst into laughter and i would be up all night because of the amount of energy i had felt, i also noticed a large increase in cognition afterwards. I find it quite hard to get there these days, I believe my lack of sleep makes it harder for me to hit Jhana. But anyway, Im just wondering, how much effort do i put into concentrating on the breath? Do i put alot of effort into concentrating on the breath trying to hold it there? or do i simply just relax and put very light gentle focus on the breath?
Hi John,
It’s tough to answer because I now consider the breath to be a kind of crutch. That’s because I recently figured out that jhana is just a constant activation of certain nerves. I can turn on and “cycle” current through those nerves now without using an object.
Using the breath gets you there with enough practice because the breath turns on all nerves throughout the body in sequence as it moves through the cycle of in-out; during that cycle you will spot which parts of the breath make you feel good — the pleasure aspect of jhana — and be able to isolate your awareness to just that part of the sequence. It has never been described like that before, probably because they didn’t know about nerves etc. when the language was made.
Anyway, I can now just choose nerves and cycle current through them perpetually. I’m currently trying to map which nerves do what. There is one in the abdomen area which gives equanimity; the ones either side of the eyes which cause the face to smile create rapture. The ones in the bridge of the nose seem to create pleasure, and link into the chest — probably the vagus nerve. So, a few sets of nerves create all the glory of jhana.
The breath is the most-used object because it turns on all nerves at some point in its sequence. So I recommend you do breathing but notice at which points in the breath a sense of pleasure or something else desirable is experienced, then try and create a breathing cycle which turns on those nerves the most. With practice you can get those certain nerves to have current passing through them constantly — and at that point you tend to “breathe around” those nerves (so you use other nerves to control the in-out, while keeping on those desired nerves which are, in my experience, mostly “in” nerves). At this point the breathing tends to be shallow because the nerves used for a regular breath are being co-opted for pleasure etc.
I think you were doing this when you experienced the sudden bursting into laughter. I have certainly had “too much pleasure to take”. In my experience this is because the body needs to open up but is blocked. In real terms this is due to FASCIA (connective tissue) which has organized the body into a contracted pose due to people sitting all day. You can get up, breathe deeply and pull your head up and back gently and feel things move around to accommodate the expansion. (This is also one of the main purposes of yoga, which you might also want to look into.) When the body is opened up in this fashion you can accommodate more “energy” in the jhana without losing composure and then you can let yourself go into the trippier LSD-style aspects of jhana, e.g. infinite consciousness and the other formless realms which are spectacular.
P.S. When a nerve has a constant current flowing through it, there is a definite sense of “flow” in the whole conscious experience — hence why this flow aspect is emphasized in texts about jhana. For me this nerve input creates visual effects too, e.g. jewel tones, lights etc.
Thanks for that :)! But i have 1 more question, Do you believe that diet and proper sleep is really important? I find that when i meditate and been eating constant junk food and having an unbalanced sleep routine i can never go deep into concentration, It feels like i barely make any progress at all.
But when i start eating healthy and sleeping well I feel progress going up and up. Compared to when my diet and sleep was off and I would never get anywhere.
John, for you – do you believe diet and proper sleep is important?
Well im not sure now, When i actually think about it, diet and sleep is good for concentration but is it actually essential. For me meditation was so simple and just required consistency, i would sit down, focus on my breath and keep returning and then I would hit access concentration within a day or 2 practicing 20 minutes.
Now for some reason I can’t, No matter how much i try, practicing for long lengths everyday for a whole week now and it looks like not much progress is going on.
When i did meditate it wouldn’t be long to reach access, Even if i were to stop practicing for along time and get rusty and start all over again it would take only a day or so. But this is just ridiculous, Hours put forth and It looks like i can’t go deep at all. It would never take this long, Still trying to figure out what it could be that is stopping me from hitting access.
Use a sweatshirt with a cape on
Are you absolutely still while meditating?
is this question towards me or not? If it is, Is physical stillness really important?
Yes, I’ve found it to be super important.
Yes thank you James. I tried it today and after a week and a half of constant practicing and making no results i tried it, I worked on trying to keep my whole body as still as i can, because the body tends to wobble even slightly to. But i kept trying to be as still as i could and then eventually i moved onto focusing on the breath and then i started going deep, didn’t even feel distracted or get tempted to get up
Good, that’s now working as it should.
The stillness was introduced in this article which is to become the basis of the rewrite of this Basic Concentration guide: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/official-concentration-meditation/
IIIuminatus, do you know Absolutus? Hes known by aloot of people on reddit for his posts, Hes known well for his experiences within the Fourth Jhana, same with Siro hes another one but they are both long gone now.
Yeah, I’ve talked a few times about Absolutus on this site. Do a search.
I didn’t even realize this was a different one 😀
I read both Absolutus amas and except keeping consistency with concentration practice there’s nothing to learn from him.
I actually think he went thru a prolongued golden fluke period of meditative states and now he feels loosing it and just needs to brag a little on reddit to keep it going.
The only thing I like is he tried to cultivate that “mdma state” as the guy from Limitless wich I am going for too in my daily practice, but that’s got more to do with a mindfull/full presence state than concentration meditation.
That seems a bit dismissive.
I think you do know a lot though and would be interested in what you have to share – if you ever feel like making a good write up on some of your knowledge, I’d be happy to help you clarify them (since English is my native language).
why some days it can be alot harder to concentrate? I don’t find my meditation progress being very stable
It’s the same for me, for a few days it looks like you’re stuck or even regressing but eventually you break through.
Diet, sleep and even what happens daily all affects meditation (for me at least).
I think that’s just the nature of things, only thing to do is to keep going, just make sure you’re practicing correctly.
Because first you have to quiet the mind and bring all awearness to the present moment. So it depends on what state your brain is when starting to meditate. It shouldn’ t be stable it should be better quality each time, if not you’re not doing it right.
When i focus on my breath, should i try to be aware of any incoming thoughts so i can catch them the moment they arise and return to the breath? or should i just focus on the breath and let the thoughts arise and then just wait until i realize then bring it back?
Mercilessly bring your attention back to the breath. Pull your attention away from any thoughts, back to the breath, immediately. You do not engage thoughts at all in concentration meditation.
Hey Illuminatus did you ever find that you had to switch technique around alot? because i would find at times that sometimes my method would work and other days it wouldn’t so i had to keep changing my method around in order to concentrate. I remember Absolutus saying that he had to do this to, just wondering if you did.
“Mercilessly bring your attention back to the breath. Pull your attention away from any thoughts, back to the breath, immediately. You do not engage thoughts at all in concentration meditation.”
Iv been trying this but it strains my head just trying to be so aware of the moment my mind wanders, It feels quite hard trying to be aware of thoughts the instant I think while also maintaining focus on my breath. I guess its just always been difficult to do 2 things at once mentally. :/
“Iv been trying this but it strains my head just trying to be so aware of the moment my mind wanders”
Who the FUCK said “be aware of the moment”?
Do not be aware of the “moment”, be aware of the breath.
“It feels quite hard trying to be aware of thoughts”
Who the FUCK said “be aware of thoughts”? Be aware only of the breath!!
“I guess its just always been difficult to do 2 things at once mentally.”
Who the FUCK said “do 2 things at once mentally”?
Do ONE thing at once mentally: be aware of the breath.
This post was aimed at people like you: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/illuminatus-and-the-laser-pointer/
You don’t read properly, and you barely practise. You read a paragraph then superimpose your own ideas of what the meditation is supposed to be instead of actually reading the words. When you are doing things I never said to do (probably because they are bits and pieces of other meditations you read on the web), what am I supposed to do? If I say, “”Do X” then someone says “I did Y, why didn’t it work?” what am I supposed to do?
If you can’t fucking read, what am I supposed to do?
… you said “Do not engage thoughts” and for me to do this i need to be aware of incoming thoughts so i can return to the breath as quick as possible, if Im not aware of any incoming thoughts my mind will wander and when it wanders I forget to return to the breath because my mind is to “zoned” into wandering off. I read very closely, Actually it can be to the point where i overthink things extremely. If i just focus on the breath and my mind wanders off I can slip off into a wandering state for 5 – 10 minutes without realizing it because i wasn’t trying to be aware of those incoming thoughts fast enough to stop them before i go into a “Daydream”..
Just as you said, Don’t engage any thoughts so ofc I feel the need to beaware of upcoming thoughts so i can “return to the breath” the moment one arises as fast as i can or else i’ll be daydreaming.
But do not be mad at me for such, This is partly a reason why im here for concentration meditation as it improves cognitive ability over time .-.- because i have mental issues which makes it harder for me to process things.
Sorry…. ;(..
No. You JUST return to the breath.
Your only mental issue is that you do what you want instead of following the instruction.
Without debating here no, iv been doing this for over 1 year now, Exactly that “Focusing on the breath then return” and i make good progress, 3 – 4 days later my concentration goes back to being shit again and i find that no matter how much i practice my concentration just does not improve, its as if my method just stops working and this will happen for a week before my concentration will start to improve again. Its not “some days its good and some days its bad” its literially “Some days It goes back to 0.” as if i have to start all over again, weeks worth of practice just goes. And its been happening for a whole year.. Iv hit jhana before, practiced alot trying to reenter it, But i wonder if its more than just “practice” since i practice very consistently to only make progress then for it to drop days later.
So something is undoing my progress.
Also, Very rarely have i ever gone by “My own way”.. Im not trying to piss you off, But im very pissed off my self that im working so hard at this daily and its just constant fucking failure.
Okay. You have either hit jhana by some fluke on those occasions (which is possible; I did it a few times early on in my practice) OR you have not hit jhana on those occasions.
Either way you are not doing a consistent method for jhana. It is not consistently producing the same result, which is what you need. It means your method isn’t right.
I have started writing a new guide, Version 2.0 of this post, which will have specific instructions and will not leave anything open for interpretation. So look out for that. Join the “NEVER MISS AN ARTICLE” mailing list at the top-right of this screen if you want the alert. It will be done hopefully within the week.
You just want to get that bliss dontcha, that rapture ? Why not pick and use the consistent thought-objects of your mind wandering instead of the boring breath?
I get jhana every time my mind wonders on a beautifull girl and a strong erection too…it’s almost efortless. Just think about that.
^^^ Statements like that being the very reason I highly doubt you’ve ever had jhana, PsySeducer.
This advice is not only non-constructive but harmful as it encourages reinforcement of existing thought patterns.
Even your secret idol Absolutus describes jhana as singlepointendess absorbtion +stilness of mind so it’s kinda your fault 99% of people here dont get it intelectually.Youll be amazed how many guys agree with everything you say but in private they actually admit having no skill or basic understanding over it except theres this bliss that never can get a grasp on after months and years of reinforcing same bad techs.
if it takes you weeks and get no succes or massive improvements youre doing it wrong…also another quote from all mighty Absolutus.
I get jhana not only using thought patterns, but even using the thought stream itself as object.Problem is not the internal dialogue, problem is people dont get the full dedication- investment of attention part, wich if executed right thoughts become at most the bitch of your will.
How is using a handy object that comes naturaly as a priority of attention like mind wandering worse than using another mental concept like the breath wich btw is the basic mindfulness/insight trigger the exact oposite of concentrantion states …talking about jhana counterproductive approaches lol.
Hmm, The bliss is really not the thing I am after lel.
As for the method, Yeah I will admit i was changing my method around alot if it worked 1 day then didn’t work the next, I would have stuck with the method but i suppose it was always confusion. I have read Absolutus’s posts in the past and I recall he had said “You should always be constantly refining your method” but a few days ago He said if your diet / overall sleep, ect, is good then your method should not have to change as much.
But I’ll see what happens, Im going to stick with 1 method for now and not change it to see How I go.
And one last thing. I do believe this was jhana of what i experienced a few times. It was such an intense overwhelming pleasurable bliss with intense energy. I could not sit still at all because of it and that very same night I never got to sleep because of the amount of energy I felt. My mind was so clear to and my ability to process things felt so fast to.
whatever your object of concentration is, when you wayver from said object, you just bring your awareness back to it.
Here is the newest concentration guide:
http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/official-concentration-meditation/
@PsySeducer
“Even your secret idol Absolutus”
He is not my idol. He wrote some inspiring words on the jhanas and I respect what he has achieved. It’s more than you have done.
“+stilness of mind so it’s kinda your fault 99% of people here dont get it intelectually.Youll be amazed how many guys agree with everything you say but in private they actually admit having no skill or basic understanding over it except theres this bliss that never can get a grasp on after months and years of reinforcing same bad techs.”
I would not be surprised. Formulating guides for this sort of tech, in language everyone can understand and implement, is incredibly difficult.
But if they are bad techs, WHY ARE YOU HERE?
If you have something better to say, I suggest you start your own blog and put yourself on the line. It is easy to be a back-seat driver.
Re talking behind backs, I don’t know if you would be surprised, but you are not well respected here and I get emails about you regularly. The gist is that people are wondering why it took so long to tell you to piss off. I had been replying, until recently, that if someone steps forward and has something to say on this site that I tend to give them a chance. Giving you a chance however turned out to be a mistake and we are now coming to the end of that.
“I get jhana not only using thought patterns, but even using the thought stream itself as object.”
It’s possible, and I’ve done it. But it is advanced, and is certainly nothing you should be advising to a beginner.
In fact, it is advanced enough that you have no reason to be here if you can do it, which brings me again to the question of why you are here.
“Problem is not the internal dialogue”
With full absorption there should be no internal dialogue.
To a beginner, overactive, uncontrolled internal dialogue is in fact the main reason they are here. That is why we give them an object such as the breath — to get their mind onto something BESIDES internal dialogue.
So you are talking out of your arse, once again.
“How is using a handy object that comes naturaly as a priority of attention like mind wandering worse”
Because, again, mind-wandering is one of the major problems beginners face.
“than using another mental concept like the breath wich btw is the basic mindfulness/insight trigger the exact oposite of concentrantion states …talking about jhana counterproductive approaches lol.”
The breath is an extremely useful and powerful object for concentration states because it can be made to flow and therefore form a stable, consistent mental object. The breath is also stabilizing for the body, as both body and mind tend to organize themselves around the breath, and therefore a stable breath will bring stability in the whole psyche.
The breath can also be dissected during insight, but to say it is an insight trigger counterproductive to concentration is absolutely wrong and suggests to me you do not actually know how to turn the breath into a flowing, stable object. Again, I also do not think you actually are getting hard jhana states; I don’t think you have had that state, else much of these conversations we seem to be having would not be occurring. I do not know what you have been doing but it does not sound like jhana.
For other readers: The new version of the guide will spell out in detail what jhana is and how to identify it, so this argument should disappear (unless someone does not like my definition of jhana, which will almost certainly happen, and in which case they can go and read another author).
Finally, I will bring this down to the simple. Advising a beginner, in concentration meditation, to get his attention off the breath and instead place it on his wandering thoughts and images of beautiful women so he gets a hardon is, simply put, the worst single piece of advice I have ever, EVER, heard in meditation circles, and, for me, has completely destroyed your credibility.
Now, whenever you give advice or criticize mine, in my mind you will forever be the guy who advised the beginner to think about beautiful women and wandering thoughts and get a hardon. It is simply ludicrous.
We are done here.
You call it inspiring I’ve called it marketing with no value added. As for those who dont like me I really dont care,got nothing to sell here. Except one guy on the forum with some experience most of them are 20 some old virgos with massive anxiety towards girls (main reason theyre here), very superficial with meditation and almost no clue about jhanas but verry skeptical and moralist.Goodluck with that, your funny adventures should keep em coming, otherwise your lonley as a skizo.
From mindfulnes (sati) you can choose to concentrate for jhanas,but actually it’s basis for all meditation forms that use awearness as a navigation tool. So its actually easyier to get jhana after few seconds of mindfull breathing but you always hesitate to mention this in guides because it doesnt fit in your allbody shtick.
All qualities mentioned in your case for breath as the object are actually insight ques haha. Sati works by including new objects in area of attention near breath.
Full absorbtion happens waaay further than 4th jhana stage, wich youve recently found to be cooler than bliss.
Im here because you remind me of me 15 years ago when i started using meditative states without knowing its called that, but getting much deeper in 1st month than you are now.
You overestimate the meditation circles credibility against the power of a hardon. Guess how much this affects my morning vipassana.
I am a 20 year old Virgo with massive anxiety towards girls.
That is the main reason I’m here.
And I still think ‘Psyseducer’ is an arrogant prick.
“You overestimate the meditation circles credibility against the power of a hardon.”
I could get a boner long before I came to PPM.
“As for those who dont like me I really dont care,got nothing to sell here.”
THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE?